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TheCrossMovement 26th Sep 02 04:07 AM

Thought about trying out a totally different OS other than Windows......although I'll probably chicken out and keep windows so my configurations won't be messed up. BUT.....if I wanted to try it out at some point.......should I pick Lindows or Linux? Maybe Unix is better? I need some opinions and the Pro'scon's of each.

Thanks :)

TCM

CARTMAN 26th Sep 02 11:09 AM

Good point that Lindows is not a real linux and that will probably will give you more security problems than windows because its comes with root account by default. I would suggest using Mandrake/Suse Linux both are good Linux distributions with known as easy installation/administration....

fritz122 26th Sep 02 01:46 PM

For this Question...Only Words...Nothing !!!!

kamikazee 26th Sep 02 05:52 PM

You keep saying Lindows is not real Linux, ok then who is Deb., Redhat, slackware, Mandrake, and there are a bunch more, who is the true linux and why?? Mandrake also asks for a root and so does redhat...

FreeUS 26th Sep 02 06:04 PM

If you wanna something like Lindows, just install linux and Winne or WinneX. Lindows is whole mountain of crap, all together... and all linux distros (for now) are free, lindows, no



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kamikazee 26th Sep 02 06:32 PM

What can't answer, that is a good non-answer, yes I can download linux for free but I usually pay for it when I buy it at the store...

CARTMAN 27th Sep 02 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kamikazee@Sep 26 2002, 04:52 PM
You keep saying Lindows is not real Linux, ok then who is Deb., Redhat, slackware, Mandrake, and there are a bunch more, who is the true linux and why?? Mandrake also asks for a root and so does redhat...
Debian/Slackware/Mandrake/Suse etc are real Linuxes on the other hand Lycoris/Lindows are not real Linux all they try to is to imitate Windows somehow and thats not ok. Linux is well known for security and they break most of the security issues when trying to imitate Windows.

And they are not fully open source they got many closed source parts which doesnt make them true Linux in my opinion. Well this is just *my* thoughts B)

kamikazee 27th Sep 02 07:42 PM

is the source available for Lindows, why yes, yes it is, the idea behind Lindows is not to emulate windows, but somehow get lindows to run windows based software, I mean i though that was what wine was all about.. so the question still stands why is lindows not linux???

craftyc 27th Sep 02 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kamikazee@Sep 27 2002, 06:42 PM
is the source available for Lindows, why yes, yes it is, the idea behind Lindows is not to emulate windows, but somehow get lindows to run windows based software, I mean i though that was what wine was all about.. so the question still stands why is lindows not linux???
uhh what happened up there? I never made any of those posts ;)

Technically Lindows is Linux, it uses the Linux kernel. However, graphically, Lindows immitates Windows which is the point CARTMAN is trying to make. This is to make it easier for Windows users to migrate more comfortably to Linux.

kamikazee 28th Sep 02 01:29 AM

Lindows gave up that boat, the object now is to make it user friendly, and try to run windows apps..
and graphically they are all in the same boat.. at least suse and mandrake are since those are the ones I use

~*McoreD*~ 28th Sep 02 04:36 AM

Mandrake Linux 9.0 is ideal for home use, and i think that will be the best :)

CARTMAN 29th Sep 02 09:04 AM

MY point is Lindows is not Open Source! Check their Wine emulation libraries they are closed source. Whereas Debian/Mandrake/Slackware is fully open source and Suse's only problem is Yast2 which has a Aladdin Public License which is not really open source but the core system is still open source.

Lindows wont make your life easier. Install it you will have less security than a typical Windows box it runs as root! Which all the people advise "You never run a *nix box as root!"

Ok clear now?

rikytik 29th Sep 02 10:58 AM

I read that Lindows is based on the Debian distribution, all gusied up with the Wine stuff, bien sur.

I agree Mandrake 9.0 is the coolest distro right now for old time MS/DOS type people (like me). Anxious to try out the RedHat 8.0 due out tomorrow.

The distros are "free" but gee it would be nice to have the purchased manuals. You can get various docs from internet sources, but it's tough work to cross-train to Linux from years of DOS/Windows experience. :)

kamikazee 29th Sep 02 09:09 PM

No, not clear since I am looking at the source right now,
you said Lindows is not Linux, you still have not answered the question, why not???

craftyc 30th Sep 02 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kamikazee@Sep 29 2002, 08:09 PM
No, not clear since I am looking at the source right now,
you said Lindows is not Linux, you still have not answered the question, why not???

Lindows is Linux, it runs the Linux kernel like all other distributions.

It is not open source though, according to CARTMAN.

craftyc 30th Sep 02 08:43 PM

Mods Please Delete this mistake.



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CARTMAN 2nd Oct 02 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by craftyc@Sep 30 2002, 07:42 PM
Lindows is Linux, it runs the Linux kernel like all other distributions.

It is not open source though, according to CARTMAN.

According to me? Please show me their source for their *own* wine libraries and I will go away and say Lindows is open source.

craftyc 2nd Oct 02 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CARTMAN+Oct 2 2002, 08:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CARTMAN @ Oct 2 2002, 08:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--craftyc@Sep 30 2002, 07:42 PM
Lindows is Linux, it runs the Linux kernel like all other distributions.

It is not open source though, according to CARTMAN.

According to me? Please show me their source for their *own* wine libraries and I will go away and say Lindows is open source.[/b][/quote]
I am not disreputing the fact that Lindows is not open-sourced. I just don't follow the development of Lindows and so don't read much about. Therefore I can only assume that it is not open source.

I am just trying to be poilitically correct.

Stringent 2nd Oct 02 05:14 PM

Bah, just use Windows and a Linux Distro dual boot, or use VMWare if you need to switch between the OS.

craftyc 2nd Oct 02 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Flanderz@Oct 2 2002, 04:14 PM
Bah, just use Windows and a Linux Distro dual boot, or use VMWare if you need to switch between the OS.
I have found a distro of choice, that I think is better than Windows. Therefore why should I use it?

CARTMAN 3rd Oct 02 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by craftyc@Oct 2 2002, 08:33 PM
I have found a distro of choice, that I think is better than Windows. Therefore why should I use it?
True its about personal tastes :D

Bads 3rd Oct 02 09:40 PM

Last year,

I tried Linux (Mandrake 7) and this was a good distro ;)

Linux is a really good OS for people who want to learn more about program and operating system.

This is not easy for a beginner and you have to learn alot of thing but this is funny :lol:

If you just want to click and run, go to windows :D

I will try Lindows 2.0 in a virtual machine to see what it is :o

When I tried Linux last year, for a newbie like me who wants to try different thing and make my own kernel etc....I had to format each day or week :D

But this is a way to learn

TheCrossMovement 5th Oct 02 02:48 PM

I tried Lindows.....and it wouldn't even let me access the desktop. Instead I got some kinda techincal error. Perhaps you other people have had better luck, but I think I'll wait for the General Release(V.3) in November. And I tried Redhat Linux V.8, and while it looks very nice, I couldn't find a way to access the internet or even setup my ethernet card properly. You guys say these are user-friendly?? Well I suppose so if all you wanna do is sit there and admire the desktop or play a few games(which ran mega-slow for me as well). But thats not MY idea of a fun time.

TCM

hamslammer 9th Oct 02 02:05 AM

Heard both good and bad reviews of Lindows. Just installed the RedHat 8.0 distro this morning and am pleasantly surprised. It detected all of my hardware, set it up correctly and I was good to go. Was surfing the internet in just a few minutes. Granted, it's not as user friendly as Windows, but it is definately getting better. Not to mention the fact that it was a free download!!

Darkwolven 9th Oct 02 03:18 PM

Joining the thread late I know but...

My friend has a full legal version of Lindows 2.0. OK, so looking into the folders you can see there is a folder labeled "Debain" so YES Lindows is based on Debian. The reason why is because they badly wanted an EASY way to upgrade the system, which Debian provides not just for system files but for applications as well. Lindows "click and run" is based on Debian's "appget". All other distros have update features, but only support system file upgrade.

I don't know about this running as root deal. I'll ask about that. I would have a hard time believing they would leave consumers vulnerable on purpose. There must be something MORE here than we know.

OK, so Not all the libraries are open source for Lindows. So what?! That doesn't make it NOT Linux. The files that are not open source deal not with the OS but with the updating feature and how it runs wine which is NOT NECESSARY for Linux. It is a commercial distro of Linux after all. They -should- keep their propriatary code closed. To do otherwise is stupid and saying Lindow is not Linux based on that fact is stupid too.


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