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Old 16th Sep 02, 10:20 PM
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Sorry, business is not suppose to work that way. There are legal and moral issues that a businessman is required to respect. And you are absolutely correct, the Enron and Worldcom examples are indicative of where business in our country has evolved to - "slid" to, is probably a more apt comment. As a businessman, and I was a Vice-President for an International Corporation with headquaters in New York city until I retired 5 years ago, I was concerned with the every growing tendency that started (probably) in the mid-1980's for corporations to start playing "games" with their balance sheets and their employees lives. "Paper" profits started becoming more important than real profits; and, dumping thousands of loyal, long term, U.S. employees to bolster profits by a few more percentage points by closing plants here and sending the work abroad.

I know this topic is getting far afield from where er started; but, to bring it back closer: A business is supposed to treat their customers with due respect. Buying up competition for the sole purpose of causing a competing product to disapear is simply not right, legally or morally. Nor is using illegal tactics to limit your customer as to what they can offer. And courts have agreed with that position,as M$ has found out more than once.

Boarders: Up until July 1st of this year, I was sort of in the same position as you. In 1990, I decided to lease out one of the homes that I own, but rarely used. When the fellow signed the lease agreement, I told him that I expected him to treat the home as if it was his own, and keep it up as if it was his own. He replied that he would try, but he probably was only going to be there for 2 to 3 years. He finally moved out after almost 12 years of leasing from me - not once did I bother making the journey to that city to check on him or my property, simply depending on an exchange of letters at Christmas to keep me updated. When he informed me that he finally was able to purchase his own home, I flew there to get the keys and arrange selling of the property. I was amazed to find how well the fellow and his family had treated and kept the property.

The moral of this? You just might have better luck with your tennents if you give them a bit more leeway and respect - and the same could be said for M$!!



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Old 17th Sep 02, 01:22 AM
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You're absolutely right ... no business should be run that way but unfortunately, in today world, morals and ethics no longer apply, and customers take a back seat when it comes to lining someones pockets with our hard earned cash. Welcome to the real world ... where the customer is nothing more than a pawn. Let's be realistic for once ... I'm sure there are alot more ruthless business men out there than Gates ... it's just that he's more successful than others and that automatically makes him every ones fave target. I don't know if it's out of jealousy or if it is out of concern for your fellow man ... or even fear ... but everyone seems to have an agenda when it comes to that lone person, and again realistically ... he's done nothing that really affects you or I. If everything you state is true ... linux and certainly the mac would not exist today. How could they ... he would have gotten rid of them before they ever became a threat, and i'm sure that he is intelligent enough to know that you strike at any opponent before he/she/ it ever becomes a threat. What i don't get is this; if there is such hatred towards his business practices then why do ppl use his software to the point that they have gone crazy to get even warezed versions of his appz ... why support him at all. If i had something against someone that you describe as being so evil ... i certainly would have nothing to do with any of his software, or anything else that came from that company. It's really easy ... if you don't like him then get rid of all his software whether it be legal or warezed, and be done with the man. If you don't personally use his software ... then stop with this holy war cuz we've all seen what comes out of that. There are plenty of other OS's out there and Office apps as well ... leave MS stuff for the people that enjoy using it, and btw ... i've never had any problems with XP or ME or WIN 95/98/98SE ... no troubles whatsoever or loss of files. The only time i got blue screened was when i installed Netscape. Guess what i did ... i got rid of it and have since never touched that browser. That simple really.

P.s i'm really glad that you've been so fortunate throughout your life and i'm glad that your tenants respected your property after renting it out to them. You're one of the lucky ones ... thankfully, i have been just as fortunate. Yet i can tell you a few horror stories, that would make you think twice. But that should be left for another time, and certainly another forum.
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Old 17th Sep 02, 01:31 AM
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"I know this topic is getting far afield from where er started; but, to bring it back closer: A business is supposed to treat their customers with due respect. "

Nice try, but I'm gonna bring this a LOT closer to the original topic. I'm just surprised that a prog as ubiquitous as Norton WinDoctor would undo M$ efforts to 'hide' 'optional' programs. Wonder if this will hapen with OEM sytems. EG: HP sets up thier consumer systems they way they want to sell them then customer 'A' uses WinDoctor and all the 'Hidden' software re-appears!

Me? I'll just use antispy to remove messenger.

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