PFC Jessica Lynch....

[GSD]

What a fine example of the courage and tenacity of the American peoples, this teen soldier is. She is part of what is GOOD about the USA. Some of you confused and indifferent youngsters should take note of her. She is a fine role model for all.

ZO

[unicorn]

Getting captured? Shooting civilians at roadblocks, launching cluster-bombs, shooting at Britons? Lol, as always GSD-ZO you get it backwards. Becoming a soldier shouldn't represent the highest stage of human development I hope.

Mohammed is the hero here. He saw a human in need of help and decided to help the best i could.

Around 600-700 civilians dead until now [http://www.iraqbodycount.net]. Since the Gulf war over 4000 Iraq civilians have died from clusterbombs spread around over the country. Clusterbombs are used now again and we can be shure that thousands or ten of thousands more civilians will die from unexploded shells lying around (about 16% av the bombs in a cluster dont explode at the impact, but later due to vibrations, digging, playing children and so on).

[GSD]

@ Unicorn
Based on the European History of 60-70 years ago, how many victims are allowed before the world is outraged, and puts a stop to it? 1? 100? 1 million? Jessica IS to be admired for her heroics as is Mo. I never mentioned human development, only courage and tenacity. The free world is in great peril at this time. Be glad someone is covering your butt as was the case 60-70 years ago. Also..it would seem Chem weapons may have been found. Please do not worry though, when the sheeitz hits your neck of the woods (and it will), The war-mongering US & UK will be there. We always have been, and the world is a much better place for it. THESE ARE MY LAST B1 WORDS. It was a great place at one time. bye

Saddam body count=250,000-290,000.....source: Human Rights Watch
(http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/mena/iraq1217bg.htm)

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There have also been a staggering number of ?disappearances??believed to range between 250,000-290,000. In addition to the 50,000-70,000 Shi?a cases described above, and the 100,000 Kurdish victims, ?disappearances? have included:
An estimated 8,000 Barzani males removed from resettlement camps in Iraqi Kurdistan in 1983;
10,000 or more males said to have been separated from Feyli Kurdish families deported to Iran during the 1980s;
Shi`a Muslim clerics and their students from al-Najaf and Karbala;
Over 600 Kuwaitis and third country nationals who disappeared after their arrest during the occupation of Kuwait (discussed below);
Members of other targeted groups, including communist and other leftist groups; Kurdish, Assyrian, and Turcoman opposition groups; out-of-favor Ba'athists; and the relatives of persons in these groups.

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Thousands of boxes of white powder, nerve agent antidote, unidentified liquid and Arabic documents on how to engage in chemical warfare

(http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83170,00.html)

ZONKO United States Marine Corps (1968-72)

[rikytik]

Pvt Lynch's story is wonderful. Exciting. But, she and her group took a wrong turn and got in trouble.

It was the daring of the rangers, seals, air force that got her out of a pickle. This is how the US coulda taken out Sadam in the first place.

Plus, she's from WV which is my favoite. Yeah!

[unicorn]

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THESE ARE MY LAST B1 WORDS. It was a great place at one time. bye

GSD-ZO-ZONKO: I'm supposed to be guilty of you leaving B1? You are determined to fight for Freedom, incl Freedom of speech and when somebody (me, in this case) says something else instead of starting waving flags you run away. I don't get this.

B1 still is a great place to be, honestly I think you'll get back here.

Another thing; you make the same nonadmirable mistake as many others. Beeing against the war, dislike clusterbombs, wonder why the US used their VETO back in 1988 when UN tried to make resolutions against Saddam, and so on - that doesn't mean I like Saddam. I don't, you should know that from reading other posts in this very forum. As Seven-of-Nine should have put it; Irrelevant!.
The actions taken place at todays war however are not. The facts are scaring but I think we have to have the courage to discuss and reflect about into which direction we are putting the world. I stand by my opinion that there always must be better ways than start throwing explosives.

[GSD]

@Uni

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I'm supposed to be guilty of you leaving B1

Dont flatter yourself. In the 9 months that have gone by since my almost 800 posts were purged, I have made about 15 posts. I guess that maybe I have already left???

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The facts are scaring but I think we have to have the courage to discuss and reflect about into which direction we are putting the world

I wish I knew what you mean here, as it is forces BEYOND our control that is driving the world to the brink of a world war. I suppose we should reflect on how bad we have been to the poor muslims, to justify their murderous intentions. Nah..f... that. What about the nuclear blackmail the KorComs are pursuing? I guess thats our fault also.

One small benefit from the invasion of Iraq is that now another "axis of evil" country, Iran, now has Coalition Armed Forces on its Western border (Iraq) and Eastern border (Afghanistan, who by the way have not had 1 public execution in their fancy UN financed soccer stadium, since we got there). Then I suspect it will be on to Korea to pay that 53 year old United Nations bill. Dont worry though as there are still men and women in the free world that will do the housecleaning for all to benefit.
Also, you completely ignored the points that I made in my 1st rebuttal to you. 1? 100? 1 million?
Wont the world be a better place, when the barbaric regimes in these countries are gone?
I have no desire to debate this any further.

Zonko

[tubebuoy]

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Originally posted by .unicorn@Apr 4 2003, 02:28 PM
Shooting civilians at roadblocks,

3 more U.S. soldiers were killed today when a pregnant woman was used in a suicide bombing at another roadblock. I'll assume the woman was forced to do this by Iraqi troops but the real point is, in times of war you should stop at roadblocks! To not do so invites unpleasant results.

Hell! running raodblocks in peace time is NOT a good idea.

[rikytik]

Hate is a terrible force. When I was a kid, my dad had a figurine of 3 monkeys. Each had his hands over his eyes, ears and mouth, à tour de rôle. I have found in my travels that most peoples continue to cover their eyes and ears.

I spent 3 weeks traveling over a good part of Iran last spring and noted a population that is desirous of knowing the west, but has been under the thumb of a fundamentalist Islamic regime since the Shah left the scene. Even the present President of Iran wants to open up to the west, but the Mullahs won't have it. The country is economically "rich" like Iraq because of its oil reserves, but like Iraq has a vast population of peasants. And there you have the cultural problem. How to span a people who live in a time centuries past with the ?modern? west. The West is a big seller of its culture all over the world. What is the culture of the west? It's basically tee-shirts, baggy pants and Big Macs. The top priority for any young Iranian girl is a nose job and cell phone. Young Iranian girls mostly wear Levi's and high heels under their "black tents". Iranian parents value education above all things and have been sending their children to North America for the past 50 years for college education, although in recent years most are going to England and other European countries because of political problems. Americans have a huge potential for friends in the ME, but may not know how to exploit it.

I talk about Iranians, because I didn?t go to Iraq, but we met travelers who did and they had similar impressions.

The previous fall, I spent 4 weeks traveling through Jordan and Syria. Jordan is a make believe country, financed by Arab money. Syria is a land of poor farmers. The new President is having problems figuring out what to do. They're all dependant on oil rich neighbors. As for Islam, the Shiite hate the Sunni, and there you have it. Sound familiar--(Ireland, Yugoslavia, Basque....?)

You gotta make a stretch here guys, to figure out what your values are. War and killing have been the name of the game since Cain and Able. ?.personal values. Nobody wants to be preached to and everybody is trying to convince the other guy he is right. I submit that the debates we see here on B1 are no different than those that go on in Washington DC. The government has a huge capacity for employment of wisdom. I don't see it present. Just a lot of xenophobic pork barreling.

Ah me, there I go again, showing my age.


Oh yes, the road block. You run it you get wasted! That's how it is.

[just_do_IT]

http://msnbc.com/news/895233.asp?cp1=1

Pretty cool story in regards to this pow.

[KingCobra]

I think they should send him and his family to AMERICA!