Originally posted by tubebuoy@Apr 3 2003, 06:25 AM
Dear Mr. Death.
I have decided to close your thread for the following reasons.
1.It has turned into a joke and I think you deserve more respect than that.
2.I will NOT allow ANYONE to insult the entire B1 membership!
"This only solidifies my reason for not interacting with this board, cause the maturity level is the mentality of a 3 year old, that whines in a candy store til he gets what he wants, instead of what he deserves."
B1 tries it's best to serve our community as best we can. If you have a problem with the crew/admins fine, we have a forum for such comments/suggestions.But to insinuate that our entire community is a bunch of "3 year old(s)" is something I simply can not allow.
B1 respects our members! You'll never see a reply from a crew member here that says "Use the search engine idiot!"
3. Things have changed around here. The B1 crew now has enough respect for each other that statements such as "but anyone who does get to read this before one of the mods or admins decide they are going to delete it, or smother it away, at least the people who do read it will know my stand." are no longer 'smothered'.
The B1 crew no longer stifles points of view we disagree with. All we ask is that you watch your language and behave like an adult.
I'm sorry your return to B1 began on such a sour note. It should be obvious the entire crew has nothing but the utmost respect you and your talents. And though I have closed your original thread, you should feel free to add comments to my post, or start a new one of your own.
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Tubeboy, since I was going to reply to the post but when finished I saw it was locked, I will reply to this, and clear a few things up, I understand your reasoning, and I think this reply should state everything. But before I put my reply, I will state one thing, even though I did in my original reply intended for the main post, I will say it first. There are something I may have said that were out of anger due to death being played as a joke, which were wrong, but most of what I said still stands. As for calling the whole community immature is an incorect statement made by you and one other person, the members of this community isnt who I made that statement to, which seems to be taken in the wrong. I dont know all the members, and to make such a statement of all oined members would be incorrect. Maybe the wording was wrong, but the members isnt who it was directed at. Having said that, here is my last reply on the issue.
And with no insult, if one happens to take it as an insult, unfortunately I cannot be held responsible for that.
Okay since a "few" people think based on there responses to my post that I was harsh, well as most admins here know, thats me, always has and always will, I remember a time when the admins use to have me speak up, cause they all just loved watching me "go-off"...But now when the foot is turned, its not liked. I thank the people who understood my side, and the ones that lashed out at me, you have your right too, and I respect your opinion, even if you dont know me when you make your remarks. But I will like to add a few things and then I will not respond, cause since most think I am looking to cause problems.
First, this post WAS originally CLOSED after "adams73533" made is reply, which was the third, and then Triminatr or someone else decided to re-open it possibly based on my PM convo. But to start:
source: "AD, I had alot of respect for you, but this post diminishes much of it. You know some of us pretty well by past association and yet don't seem to know so much after all. Sounds like alot of bitterness to me. If you feel so strongly about the people running this board there is nothing stopping you from staying away from it."
Your right, nothing is stopping me from coming here, and the last time before this was in 9/02, that was the last time, but when I got wind that Adam was supposed dead, it caught me off guard. And the "Bitterness" you state you read in my post, is about the attempted April Fools joke. If you reading more bitterness then intended or thinking I am still bitter from the past, guess again.
.unicorn: "AngelDeath: You did some really nice things in the past, but now? You heard (from somebody) about this incident and that make you rush here and go bezirk."
NO, I heard about it, read the frontpage of B1, and read the post that was in this forum, where half was sending condolences, and the other half was pissed and confused. And since that post I looked for and didnt see it to reply, I made a new one, had it been there, I would have replied opposed to making a new one.
Zone-MR: "Hi AngelDeath, and thanks for dropping by. It's nice to see old faces around even if we had our differences in the past.
I am not the best person to explain to you what I had intended and how it went wrong. I screwed up badly and am not expecting anything other than criticsm. I have appologised for the mistake I made, yet I guess the damage has already been done.
If you are willing to talk, please add me on MSN. I wont try to justify what I did as it cannot be justified. Instead perhaps we can try and get along. Refusing to put aside peoples mistakes, and quickly developing hatred and enemies will only make life more miserable for all sides involved."
First, I dont make enemies, nor am I making you an enemy, I accept people make mistakes, we all do, if we didnt, then we would be gods, which is far from the truth, I dont expect you to explain yourself to me, nor am I trying to create turmoil, which everyone seems to think. My post was based on the fact, that Death is not a joke in any language or context, and my post was pointed to the fact that this was used in poor taste.
Maybe I was a bit harsh as well, and I will apologise for certain aspects of the post, but most still stands, But I am not trying to stir B1 into an frenzy, or have people look at my post as to cause trouble, but merely my thoughts on a cruel joke, but many people (not mentioning names, you know who you are) will read much further into my post then they should, read it for face value, there is no hidden msg.
Zone-MR: "Additionally, please consider dropping by BetaONE from time to time - even when there is no conflict situation. I am sure we can talk occasionally even though your intelect and maturity is obviously way too superior for this community."
I assume the last line is sarcasim, if so, so be it.
Reborn: "Who the hell do you think you are??
Think before you goddamn post!!
You come here sometime after the fact, slag off the community by basicly calling us immature and then have the gall to say this was done for some need to make the users more active!!
The matter was being resolved in a MATURE manner, the parties involved TALKED to each other, an APOLOGY was issued (Wich i know Martin sincerely meant) and Adam accepted the apology. It doesnt need some guy who never comes to the board, who upon hearing the news second hand, decides to shoot his mouth off and show us just how mature he is.
And before you start bitching about censorship take a look around the board and read some of the god damn posts on here. We don't censor people for saying what they think or feel- then again if you bothered to bless us with your presence once in a while you may have noticed the changes.
The top and bottom of it is this, it was a joke. It may have been in bad taste but it was a joke. Martin got burnt, he caused a hell of a lot of comotion, it made the situation arkward as hell for Adam but it was meant in the spirit of fun. Do i have to say it again for you? It Was A Joke.
This is one of the best crews this board has had, don't come in here with your lump hammer and wedge and try to split it up. It won't happen."
Is this suppose to get a rise out of me? Again you seem to be reading further into the post then face value,
and I did not call the community immature, dont like words being put in my mouth. Like I said to many who do know me, I am blunt, take it or leave it, But it seems you have more issues then I do, especially when you werent the ones spoken about.
kamikazee: "If we were to lash out at a member as Reborn has none of you would hesitate to warn or maybe even ban us for it."
You have a valid point.
source: "Come on kam. This whole situation has been explained. We really don't need people who rarely come here just stopping in seeming as they thrive on starting commotion."
Again, read above, cause obviously you are reading more then whats there.
Reborn: "The joke was in bad taste, yes it snowballed, yes it affected more than the 2 parties involved. What do you want? A front page appology for a joke gone bad\in bad taste?"
Thats the first thing you said meaningful that I agree with. Cause for myself I dont need an apology, but to alot of other members of the community, I think that would be appropriate.
Reborn: "Once again, coming from a regular or active member it would have been taken as it was- criticism. Coming form a person who doesn't participate in the community, who didnt even see the post it was taken as an attack on one of the members of the community."
Reborn, I dont hold it against you not knowing the circumstances as to why I left, but I do hold you comment about not being an active member, or the comment I didnt see this post. I saw the frontpage as I said, and the post that was in this forum, had I not, I would not have made any comments based only on hear-say. And i do not think Active or Non-Active should matter, if you base criticism on how often a person visits a board, or there activity status, then there is something wrong on how you view a persons opinion and views, there frequency should have to bearing on there comments.
And not to make this any longer then it is, but here is a few clips from a PM I sent to someone who questioned my reasoning for making this post, (which that person will stay nameless unless otherwise told):
AngelDeath: "The fact that Zone (Which I already knew) made a stupid call? And your response that I only come around only when there is turmoil? I do think about what I write, and I chose them very carefully, do you have any inkling as to how many people PM-ed me last night about this? Do you how many people are severly P-Oed? Do you know how many people asked me to speak out? I may not "Contribute" to the board, and admittingly I have not visited the board since 9/02 but after getting slammed with PM's I didnt believe it, and I told people, it doesnt sound right, plus last post time didnt jive, but death isnt something to play ha ha with, if it was that a big joke, then it should have been done in PM, email, or something, not turn a community into chaos."
AngelDeath: "You have no fault in this and am not lashing out at you, But if you read what I said: "Despite our differences IF it was true I would be deeply saddened" This is being Human, and not a robot, nor insensitive, its called sending condolences, and respect. I may not be an active member, or any type of member, but since I know him as well, its respect.
If it was "Joe Blow" I dont know joe blow, and would care less, I would have done this for anyone I knew if this prank was played, be it you, chris, james, dennis, lucky, old grizzly, etc.
I do not like conflict, despite what you read in my posts, but again, thats your opinion, and I am no one to tell you otherwise, we all have our own opinions which is what makes us individuals, If you cant accept my opinion in my post, then I respect that, just as you have to respect my opinion.
I dont intend to piss people off, but there are limits I follow, once those limits are met, its time to move on. (Nameless), never once since our departure have I ever lashed out at anyone, not even you after the falling out. despite that, you may very well be a nice kind guy, but too much has occured for me."
Let me repeat one line again so people SEE it:
"I would have done this for anyone I knew if this prank was played, be it you, chris, james, dennis, lucky, old grizzly, etc."
As a community of members, I do not have anything against anyone, I never have, even still this wasnt an attack, but my views and opinion. respect it. Maybe I'm old fashioned, I just think it was done in bad taste, and it made an uprising of members upset, including me, regardless of the situation between me and B1, I may not reply, but I do read and visit at times. But I would never wish, want, or see anything happen to anyone, member or admin, and even if it was another board stating something about people I knew, that defense mechanism would rear its head again. Thats me.
I will not reply to this post, anything further from me about this would be meaningless and it would just make it drag on, its over, let's move on.
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