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A Petition Supporting a Constitutional Amendment to Protect the Pledge of Allegiance and Our National Motto:

http://www.wepledge.com/pledge_petition.asp

Guys please sign it. It is so sad that it has came to this, but it has.

Just three individuals - one atheist and two radical, liberal judges - have ruled it "unconstitutional" for school children to say the Pledge of Allegiance!

Next we can expect them to ban our nation's motto: "In God We Trust."

Governors who have endorsed the Constitutional Amendment:

Gov. Mike Foster, Jr. ®, Louisiana
Gov. Mike Huckabee ®, Arkansas
Gov. Ronnie Musgrove (D), Mississippi
Gov. Bob Riley ®, Alabama
Gov. Mike Johanns ®, Nebraska
Gov. Bill Owens ®, Colorado
Gov. Bob Taft ®, Ohio
Gov. John Hoeven ®, North Dakota
Gov. John G. Rowland ®, Connecticut
Gov. Judy Martz ®, Montana
Gov. George Pataki ®, New York
Gov. Dirk Kempthorne ®, Idaho
Gov. Jeb Bush ®, Florida
Gov. Rick Perry ®, Texas
Gov. Bob Wise (D), West Virginia

Lt. Governors who have endorsed the Constitutional Amendment:

Amy Tuck ®, Mississippi
Mary Fallin ®, Oklahoma
Diego T. Benavente ®, Commonwealth of Northern Mariana Islands
Brad Owen (D), Washington
Margaret Farrow ®, Wisconsin
David Heineman ®, Nebraska
Joseph B. Meyer ®, Sec. of State, Wyoming
Winthrop Rockefeller ®, Arkansas
Kathleen B. Blanco (D), Louisiana
Jack Dalrymple ®, North Dakota
John O. Bennett ®, Senate Pres., New Jersey
Loren Leman ®, Alaska
Karl Ohs ®, Montana

Read This:

http://www.wepledge.com/purpose.asp

This proposed Constitutional Amendment will protect our Pledge of Allegiance and our National Motto and will prohibit judges from declaring them illegal.

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states within seven years after the date of its submission for ratification:

Section 1. The first article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States shall not be construed to prohibit the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, which shall be, 'I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.'.

Section 2. The first article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States shall not be construed to prohibit the recitation or use of the national motto, which shall be, 'In God we trust'.
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Thank you for signing this very important petition. Please encourage your family, friends and co-workers to go online and sign the petition as well. Periodically, we may be notifying you via e-mail of updates regarding the Constitutional Amendment and/or the petition itself. (If you do not wish to be receive such mailings, send a blank e-mail to: leave-pledge@lists.afa.net.
Thanks for this post and I'm glad to sign. Oh ya, I gave them the wrong e-mail address. I feel sorry for John@yahoo.com
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signed, by myself and my wife, thankyou.
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Ill sign. We used to do that when I was in grade school. Nothing wrong with it
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Old 5th Mar 03, 10:53 AM
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Just three individuals - one atheist and two radical, liberal judges - have ruled it "unconstitutional" for school children to say the Pledge of Allegiance!

This is an untrue statement. It is the term "under god" that was objected to. I am one person of MILLIONS in this country (jewish) that does not have god or jesus in our core beliefs. Does this make me less of an American? even after 4 years in the USMC?
The P.O.A. should NOT be mandatory in schools as I beleive patriotism omes from the heart and not from any rote recital of an inaccurate verse.

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and has no chance of being free unless made and kept
so by the exertions of better men than himself.
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I don't believe in God, so I don't think people should be forced to "Trust God". If it's optional, then I have no issue at all with the Pledge. Freedom of religion or the choice not to practice a religion is one of the great things about a secular society like ours.

I do have a question for all you supporters of this petition: What if the pledge used "In Allah We Trust"? How then would you feel? Would you want your little Christian or Jewish children to go to a school where that was the pledge? I would assume you don't have ANY problem with students who follow Allah to change the wording to fit their beliefs, correct? Or allow the followers of any of the thousands of religions of the world who attend U.S. schools to substitute whatever term they use to identify their religious leaders. Or are you just hypocrites???

Not everyone calls the higher being they believe in "God".

Of course the elephant in the room is religious bigotry. One religion is NOT superior to any other. Like I said, as long as the Pledge is optional, I have no issue. Otherwise, we start to cross the line and become a religious state like those in the Middle East so many love to hate.

There are good reasons for the separation of church and state.
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Sorry. I prefer the original national motto, "E Pluribus Unum" and the original version of the Pledge which, although written by a minister, did NOT include any reference to a god.


'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.'
-- written by Francis Bellamy , a Baptist minister, in August 1892
(maybe he had in mind that the New England Puritans used to hang Baptists)

"E Pluribus Unum" (out of many, one) -- from the Great Seal of the United States, first used on Sept 16, 1782.

A Short History of the Pledge of Allegiance: http://www.ifx.net/~wjohnson/pledge.htm

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i think it should be removed.. the original (as redkitty quoted) should be restored. I do not beleive in a higher being (ie god) or any religion for that matter. I would not want one of my kids (when i have any) be forced to say the pledge in its current state
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All,

Just to set matters straight there is no such thing as,

"the separation of church and state."

except in the minds of activist judges who prefer to mold the Constitution to their ideas rather than interpret the original intent of our Founding Fathers. Contrary to what most people (now) think the first amendment says, the "no establishment clause" was only intended to prevent the Federal government from establishing a national denomination. It was never in their wildest dreams intended to actually keep religious and governmental activities separate from one another. This evidenced by numerous examples of the Congress stopping for prayer sessions to resolve difficult matters and judges (really!) who would strongly urge condemned criminals to get right with God before being executed. Interestingly, it was generally accepted that testimony from atheists was inadmissible in court since there was no "fear of God" to discourage false testimony.

In general, I reject the arguments against mixing religion and government because despite what people claim, non-believers ARE NOT being damaged or hurt by this. They may feel guilty because they they have rejected God, but I consider that a good (and natural) thing for them to feel. I have no fear of your differing beliefs (or non-belief), neither should you fear (or attempt to restrict) mine in God.

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