Hp Declares War On Sharing Culture

[KingCobra]

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By Ashlee Vance in Las Vegas
Posted: 09/01/2004 at 22:52 GMT

CES HP this week took the unusual move of using a consumer electronics conference as the venue for an unprecedented attack on consumers and their ability to enjoy American technology and culture.

HP's CEO Carly Fiorina filled her keynote speech at CES with media piracy rhetoric, saying that consumers are undermining the economy and the morals of this nation by exchanging music. With this platform established, Fiorina went on to say HP will be the media industry's first rate lackey and do all it can to equip files with DRM (digital rights management) controls. The move by a technology company like HP to so wholly support a dying, old world empire shows how fragile the idea of an open PC has become.

"Just because we can steal music doesn't mean we should," Fiorina said. "It is illegal. It is wrong, and there are things we can do as a technology company to help.

"Starting this year, we'll strive to build every one of our consumer devices to respect digital rights."

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http://www.theregister.com/content/6/34804.html

[MonkeyMagic]

All I can say is that they should learn how wonderful the sharing experience is and why stop it when it makes so many people happy, isn't that the way the world should be? Sharing happily!

Sharing music or what have you is a way for artists to reach their fans and audiences. If the industry wants to stop this, it's like they're shooting them selves in the foot, and they will regret it.

Let me close up here by saying that sharing digital media online is a colossal issue and these anti-sharing industry moguls have no chance in hell in ever stopping, they may as well join us.


Kind Regards,

The Magic Monkey

[Cyberion]

Monkey... Yes.. they would be shooting themselves in the foot.. However.. downloading ANY copyrighten material is illegal in the USA.

Canada has posed a levy for people who wish to download music and movies.

What would you rather have?

DRM content vs. Free content but a tax levied on blank media.

This war is not going to sqelch anytime soon. I saw an article on "Campus Review" that stated that sharing is what we are taught to do in grade school. Are we training our children to horde and not share their wealth? The issues on copyright infringement are confusing to me too.

Personally, I don't feel strongly either way. I remember pre-napster when I just listened to radio. The consumption is just implemented in a different way.

[unicorn]

So does Adobe. I just noticed I wasn't allowed to open a scanned picture of a 5 Euro bill here at work using Photoshop CS, new and shiny and slow, obviously checking every picture for signs of $ and ? in them.

And ok, it might be I'm not supposed to make nice copies of Euros or dollars at work... Pity though, it was a nice ideea for a collage. Had to put a bill from a Monopoly game there instead.

What's next?

[GSD]

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I saw an article on "Campus Review" that stated that sharing is what we are taught to do in grade school. Are we training our children to horde and not share their wealth? The issues on copyright infringement are confusing to me too

This is the worst argument for piracy I ever heard. When I went to school we paid the beatles and stones for their works of art which took human endeavor and work to produce. What is commonly called "sharing" here is none other than what it really is. Teach your children if it aint theirs, dont steal it.


lmfao

[MonkeyMagic]

>Monkey... Yes.. they would be shooting themselves in the foot.. However.. >downloading ANY copyrighten material is illegal in the USA.

>Canada has posed a levy for people who wish to download music and movies.

>What would you rather have?

>DRM content vs. Free content but a tax levied on blank media.

Think of it this way, Marijuana is llegal, and if you smoked, would you rather grow yours for free, or buy it from the government and pay a tax on it. That's what the governments want, Taxes imposed and tax revenues generated.


>This is the worst argument for piracy I ever heard. When I went to school we >paid the beatles and stones for their works of art which took human endeavor >and work to produce. What is commonly called "sharing" here is none other than >what it really is. Teach your children if it aint theirs, dont steal it.

We share what others don't want to share, simply reason being is that they're too darn greedy. CDs are tremendously over priced, and these so called "Artists" make way too much money while the poor hard working man struggles to feed his kids and buy music @ the same time. Would you deny him the right to enjoy free music which will lessen the burden that is placed upon him by these greedy world wide dominating companies?

The industry and the record companies won't even comprimise and produce cheaper CDs or even lower the sky rocketing prices. They won't have it any other way than that of ripping people off, so we rip their CDs back in return.

An eye for an eye, thats my War Cry! Lets do battle Music Moguls...

[Dudelive]

As unicorn has stated it is to the place that we buy software then can NOT use it to make a copy of a bill for a game. Yes there are right of others to consider as there are our rights.

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unicorn Posted: Jan 10 2004, 08:20 PM   
So does Adobe. I just noticed I wasn't allowed to open a scanned picture of a 5 Euro bill here at work using Photoshop CS, new and shiny and slow, obviously checking every picture for signs of $ and ? in them.

Also as MonkeyMagic referrs to it is all about making MORE money for the BIG people while we HAVE got to abide by the SAME rules as they do.The big companies just have got lucky and make money for lots of people besides themselves. There just happens to be a big demand for MUSIC and the companies are in reality just doing buisness as we would if we were in their shoes for long enough.

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The industry and the record companies won't even comprimise and produce cheaper CDs or even lower the sky rocketing prices. They won't have it any other way than that of ripping people off

There really is not a need for them to comprimise as long as they are making money, although that is one way.....reduce the quality of the music, get rid of the fancy lables, no nice containers...and you could buy more music it would not sound or look as nice.

So laws are laws and without them it would be havoc. Just remember things can get worse.

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Dudelive

[MonkeyMagic]

>Also as MonkeyMagic referrs to it is all about making MORE money for the BIG >people while we HAVE got to abide by the SAME rules as they do.The big >companies just have got lucky and make money for lots of people besides >themselves. There just happens to be a big demand for MUSIC and the >companies are in reality just doing buisness as we would if we were in their >shoes for long enough.

That’s exactly my point, they don't care who they steam roll over, it's all in the pursuit of money and more of it. If I were in their shoes, it wouldn't be a business of "ripping" people off. That’s clear to me that's their only intention.

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>>The industry and the record companies won't even compromise and produce >>cheaper CDs or even lower the skyrocketing prices. They won't have it any >>other way than that of ripping people off



>There really is not a need for them to comprimise as long as they are making >money, although that is one way...reduce the quality of the music, get rid of the >fancy lables, no nice containers...and you could buy more music it would not >sound or look as nice.

They have to compromise; if they don't we'll all continue our flourishing business of ripping and sharing Musika! It costs them so much to make a CD and they sell them for $40+/piece. The quality of the music won't dimished if the sell them cheaper. Just like the Nike sports shoes biz (Costs them in the few cents to make a shoe and sell it for $200+)...

>So laws are laws and without them it would be havoc. Just remember things can >get worse.

Yes it can get worse, musicos and moguls would feel the pinch and feel like the gutter just like how we feel when we're being hunted, they will regret it to the end.

The hunter becomes the hunted! The boomerang returns to chop their NEX off! (Sorry bout the violent decapitation scene)…

[JacKDynne]

Hmmm. You know, reading these posts one thing comes to mind: the market demands what the market can bear. For example, if I make product X, and sell it for X amount of money, as soon people stop buying it you can bet my price will drop.

In other words, the PEOPLE is what drives prices to be what they are - stop paying high prices and they will drop or companies go out of existence. Supply and demand. Turn off your MTV and go read a book or something

/JD

[Dudelive]

@JacKDynne....After reading your post....Are you into the stock market or are you just aware that that is the way real life is? Seems as though you said a whole lot in a few short lines if we really think it over.

Well said.


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Dudelive