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Info: On Building a PC for less....Good Advice!
I dont want to offend anyone browsing this page that has a prebuilt box, or just likes the brand, but I just find it amazing that cheap computers are sold with cheap stuff! even the cheap cars (kia and suzuki and the like) have 7 - 10 year 100k mile warranty! Like all things there are stipulations involved, but this whole post is not intended to offend anyone but to enlighten you as to the real world!

Just remember if you have questions about building a computer dont see dell or gateway, or even HP, come see us at betaone, as any one of us! I will be more than happy to answer your questions, and if I can't I KNOW someone here can. Dont under pay for a computer when you could spend a little more maybe 100-150$ more at most and get something that lasts a while!


Well I'm posting this in regards to the newsbot's post:

http://www.betaone.net/forum/thread-18434.html

I just seem to want to rant a little!

I can build a computer cheaper than the cheapest dell, granted only by a few dollars, but I wouldn't own it if it was give to me! Buying one of those cheap things is what keeps us computer techs working for ourselves in business! Dell is a good brand, however buying there cheap system is like buying a car that hasn't had the oil changed in it for 2 years, its gonna clunk out on you if you try to use it to the extreme, or try to multitask more often than not. Now I know there are those cases were a prebuilt box has lasted a while, but lets face it, I can tell you this, it wasn't left on for 24/7, didn't play games (if it did you either got ripped off, or put your own videocard in it), it rarly ever multitasked with pride and "oomph!" Me personally I record TV, play BattleField2 and have my email open, and I dont take a hit in proformance! try that with a 300$ dell system, it wouldn't even record TV without it being choppy, let alone play battlefield2! I guess if all you do is type and word process and surf the internet then a 300$ dell is ok, and i would say poorly ok at best. I just feel like if I have to wait 2 - 5 seconds for a program to open (just 1 program) then screw it I will pay more to get the proformance I want! I dont see why people by a dell with the tech support anyways. check this out....

RAM:
Most ram manufactures have a LIFETIME warranty on ram, if it dont, you dont need to buy it

Motherboards:
Most have a 1-3 year warranty and some maybe longer.

CPU:
3 years warranty on retail chips and I think its 90 days on OEM, unless you know what you are doing get the retail chips they come with REALLY NICE fans now!

Harddrives:
3-5 years depending on the brand

CDROM/DVDROM/RW Drives:
3+ years depending on brand also

Video Cards:
not sure but I bet its a 1 year or better

Sound Cards:
Not sure why you need it sinse most MB's have onboard sound and is just as good as most sound cards out there, but none the less they get at least a year warranty from most manufacturers.

Moniters:
Not sure but I know mine has a 1 year on it, maybe they have longer?

Keyboards/Mice/input devices:
Most of these are a dime a dozen you can get combos on sell for under $20 at any wholesale store like tigerdirect, or newegg, but they probably have a year warranty.

Most computer components come with MANUFACTURER WARRANTY's why would you pay the "big corporation" to give you a prebuilt box that comes with tech support when you could build it yourself save that money that you would've spent ($100-300+ on tech support) and get the oomph and proformance that you wouldn't have gotten, you would get something that lasted a lot longer and preform better for pretty much the same amount of money! And if you are turned off by not having tech support, then go to a local store like "Intrex" or "Tigerdirect" or your local wholeseller (not the retail stores), and get them to look at it for you, they will warranty there work and it will work at the best it can after they get done fixing it, if you ever have a problem with a custom pc that is!

I aint saying that a custom pc is the best way to go, however I have always built my pc's ever sinse I can remember, and I have NEVER and i mean NEVER had one crap out or give up the ghost in any way shape or form.

I mean once you look at all of that, I mean really all you get with a BIG brand computer is the Tech Support that you had to pay for to begin with and "thier name" on the box somewhere! I know countless people here at the hospital that have had there "name brand box" worked on by me and other computer techs at the other stores. My box that I built 2 years ago hasn't gone down yet, and I keep it on 24/7 minus the power outages, but none the less it never goes down, I have a high quality machine that I know will last a long time under some of the harshest conditions!

now to reiterate what I said at the very top of this post:

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Just remember if you have questions about building a computer dont see dell or gateway, or even HP, come see us at betaone, as any one of us! I will be more than happy to answer your questions, and if I can't I KNOW someone here can. Dont under pay for a computer when you could spend a little more maybe 100-150$ more at most and get something that lasts a while!
please ask us first before you go making a decision that will cost you more money in the long run than what you could've spent and had a good high quality machine!

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Old 11th Nov 05, 04:10 PM
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you own a dell and boom one day it say a year after you own it, boom it wont boot up! So you call dell and that 3 year tech support you paid 300$ some dollars for, they tell you "alright sir we will send someone out to your house to replace that for you"...fantastic you say and the next day or something like that they guy shows up and boom your fixed! now say it never happens again all you have done is spent say $300 on onsite techsupport to just replace a 65$ part from a local store!

Math time:

$300 onsite tech support - replaces parts and tech comes out to your home or business....

lets say that your RAM craps out on you from not enough air flow or something, so lets see, it costs on average for 1GB of ram around 84$, so if that goes out it costs approx $5.35 for shipping so you would've spent only say 90$ vs 300$. I'd say that its a pretty good savings and you could use the money for something else for your computer!

Also remember after you purchase it if it craps out on you again during the warranty you dont buy it again you send it back to the manufacturer and they WILL service the product under warranty or replace it for no charge to you!

Now i'm no math wiz or anything but I think I just saved ~ $210.00 and could save even more if I let the manufacturer service the product!

hmm average problems per computer is less than 1 a year that requires part replacement, so that means that per year I would spend at most 90$ x 3 years = $270 still a savings of $30. which means I could save even more! Just by sending it back to the manufacturer and letting them send me a new one (return shipping to me is prepaid by them and cost me nothing for the replacement).

I hope this has enlightened someone that really didn't know the truth about computers and warranties, if you do have questions please talk to someone here we will set you straight and get you the information that you need to make an informed decision!

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Old 11th Nov 05, 04:27 PM
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One of the BIG problems I see in computers that are pre-built is a power supply that is too small! Most the systems have room to add-on/expand inside (Hard Drive, Video card) but the power supply is either too little for what's already in the system or already at the max and no new equiptment should be added to the system or risk a melt down.

Only with computers can companies get away with something as dumb as that to save money and drum up more sales. It's like putting a factory tow package on a Neon to drum up more sales. Everyone knows that even with the tow package, the Neon is not going to tow much of anything but itself.
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KC have rights, each time i have buy Pre-Built PC the Power supply is too small!
So, when u try to add a new HDD or a higher vidz card, the power supply can't support and die.

Also, each time i have buy my PC pieces by pieces, i make profits in my pocket and i have a faster, better and powerfull PC!

I think what is fun about Pre-built PC ( like dell ), if it's you have problem with, you call them, and the repair it. So for most people that dosen't know how to repair a software problem or a hardware on.... i think pre-built is better for thoses kind of people !!

This is my 2 cents !!

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As with the tech support...not to offend anyone, but most times you can not understand them very good and they can not understand you that well either. So when your computer don't boot-up they usually will lead you through reinstalling your OS and most times will NOT warn you that ALL will be lost.
If you complain as to what is about to happen then they will explain that the best way is to do it their way.
Even if you do buy a prebuilt system be sure you know ahead what will be covered with warranty, I have one here now that the customer did NOT know that they paid for a full 3 year on-site warranty less than a year ago. If I had know it before I got it here I would have been glad to lead her in the correct direction as to repairs through her warranty tech. I am doing her a favor (no charge) beause she lost patience trying to talk to the tech.

Oh yeah by the way it is a dell dimension 4700 P4 2.8 with onboard video and only 256 meg of ram.....A real video card and 512 meg of ram and this would be great but as is my 1900 athlon will smoke it.

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My DELL is about to die.

Or at least the power supply is.

Unfortunately for the statis of DELL computers, being "brand" and all they have different parts that have to be purchased.

In the near future, I intend to just purchase a new motherboard w/ CPU new CASE and new power supply.

Everything else in the computer is running fine. Its just that my 250W supply is panting for air with the drives, etc I'm slamming it with. Its actually started to hangup, cause the supply can't power the CPU enough for prolonged usage.
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@Cyberion - Sounds like you need to get a new power supply before your current one dies and burns up the rest of your gear, not to mention maybe your house. Do you remeber what happened to BC several years back?
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