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Hi

I got a DVD in PAL format and want to convert it to NTSC DVD
How can it be done???

Thank you very much

Edit :
As I suppose you meant NTSC, not NTFS.

There is not an easy way I am aware of:

However, check this link:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...ntsc+c onvert

Just incase if the link goes down:

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Just don't know if anybody is interested, but I played a bit whitch the RoBa for DVD2SVCD and found an easy way to convert a PAL-DVD (movie only, progressive, AC3 (one or more)) to high quality NTSC-DVD.

Needed tools:
ifoedit
dvddecrypter (surely you can rip with dvd2svcd also)
CCE
dvd2svcd 1.2.1 build 3 (thanx a lot, keep on the good work)
D2SRobBa (tested with V 3.0.0) (great tool)
ac3machine + besweet 1.4 with ac3enc.dll

If you want subtitles converted to, you need subrip and SubripFPSConverter.exe and srt2sup

I assume that you configured your dvd2svcd already for CCE

1) Rip the PAL movie to disk.
2) Fire up D2SRoBA
CD Size: 4480 or 4350 (dvd-r, dvd+r)
Num CDs: 1
Sample %: 2
AutoQ: 40
MaxQ: 50
AdjustQ: 0.6
Conditional sizing pass: yes
Untersz%: 2.0
Oversize%: 1.0
Audioencoding after video: no
%of video: <look into dvdshrink how big your Audio-Stream(s) are
and get the right percentage
Adjust max video bitrates: i don't know if you have to say
yes here, you can try to say no, i think the the bitrate of the
audio won't be subtracted from the total bitrate
Total bitrate: 9800
Max avg offset: 300
3) Hit 'Go'
In DVD2SVCD:
4) Conversion:
-> open the IFO of your ripped movie
-> select the audio tracks you want
5) Bitrate:
-> set Max to 9800 (will be overwritten by D2SRoBa)
-> set Min to 3000
-> uncheck Min averag.
6) DVDRip:
-> Uncheck
7) Frameserver:
-> select BicubicResize or BilinearResize
-> mark 'Edit when dvd2avi is done'
8) Conversion:
-> Start conversion.
- DVD2SVCD first will create a dvd2avi project
9) change the AVS-Script a little:
-> in the line with the resize command, replace the 576 with 480
-> add AssumeFPS(23.976,true) to the end of the script
-> Hit save and Ok
- DVD2SVCD extracts the audio
- D2SRoBa does it's magic
10) While encoding the video fire up ac3machine (dspguru, you are a genius, what would we do without you!)
-> Make a framerate conversion of the audio from 25000 to 23976,
channels mode 5.1 (2.0 does not produce a correct ac3 stream)
and select the bitrate you want
( the resulting ac3 file will be a little bit larger than
original with the same settings because it's playing time is
about 4% longer)
-> To every repeat: Name the output-file
Extracted_audio_1...n_ntsc.ac3 (e.g
Extracted_audio_1_ntsc.ac3 for the first stream,
Extracted_audio_2_ntsc.ac3 for the second etc.)
11) Repeat 10 for every audio track you extracted
- DVD2SVCD makes pulldown automaticly thanks to D2SRoBa
12) After pulldown is finished, you can close DVD2SVCD, the muxing
does not need to be performed.

If you're fine with video + audio only in your NTSC-DVD than skip the following steps and jump to 20)

13) Open Subrip
-> click open ifo
-> select the caption you want
-> subpictures to text via OCR
-> hit start
14) After you got your subtitles in the subtitle window:
-> Select corrections - Post OCR spelling correction
(selfexplanatory)
15) save as *.srt subtitle file
16) Repeat step 13 for all the subtitles you want
17) Open subripFPSconverter and change the framerate of the srt file
to 23.976
18) Open srt2sup
-> open your srt file
-> select 'all'
-> select sup file - save
19) Repeat 18 for all your subtitles
- author a new dvd
20) fire up ifoedit
-> open your original ifo
-> expand VTS_PGCITI and select the PGC of your movie
-> select Tools - 'Save Celltimes to file' and save them
-> restart ifoedit
-> select DVD Author - Author new dvd
-> Video: Pulldown_Encoded_Video_NTSC.mpv in your movie directory
-> Audio: select your Extracted_audio_1..n_ntsc.ac3 files and give
them the right description on the left side (Deutsch, English
etc.)
-> Only for subtitlers: add your *.sup files as subpicture streams
to the DVD
-> in Scene changes / Chapters open the 'Celltimes.txt' file you
created before
-> Enter a destination directory and hit Ok.
21) for Subtitlers:
-> When ifoedit is finished, you have a running NTSC-DVD, but the
colors of the subtitles are totally messed up
-> open ifoedit and open your original ifo
-> expand VTS_PGCITI and select the PGC of your movie
-> scroll a little bit down and find the lines that start with
Color, (e.g. Color 0 Y Cr CB, about 16 lines) and mark them
-> select Subtitle-Color - Copy colors from this PGC
-> Open your IFO from the new authored DVD
-> expand VTS_PGCITI and select the PGC of your newly authored
movie
-> select Subtitle-Color - Paste colors into this PGC
-> Hit save

Finished. You should have a high quality NTSC DVD (with subtitles) on your HD now. Hope that helps.

Question: Is there a possibility to convert the running speed of the subtitles directly in the sup-file without OCR? The advantage: you could rip the sup stream, change it and have much less work and you would have the benefit of special characters staying intact.

MvB

Also, have a look at softwares such as "TMPGEnc Plus"(MPEG encoder) or "TMPGEnc DVD Author". You can use those programs to convert VOB files to NTSC or PAL DVDs.

Cheers,
McoreD

Thank you very much!!!!!
I will give it a try :)

How did it work out for you ?

Supposedly, _this_ software will be able to do it :
http://www.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/te3xp.html

i recently had the same issue; in a nutshell, here is what I did...

1. copy files to hd, using dvd decryptor
2. get a copy of infoedit; open the first .ifo file on your hard drive, look for any references to PAL, and hit the "convert to NTSC button...there should be at least 2 references in the .ifo file to that..
3. go through the rest of the .ifo files on your HD. repeat the procedure, when prompted, save the files,.
4. use your burning software to burn a NTSC dvd..

I forgot where I found this info out, but I know it was done via a Google search..

Good luck, and try not to make too many coasters!

Stupid question: Why can't you rip it in the usual way with DVD Shrink or Recode2, etc, and then burn it with Nero? Or why not, for that matter Instant Copy?

The TV industry is dominated by two main standards for TV design: PAL and NTSC. NTSC is one of my pet hates basically because
of it's rather low quality and use of weird framerates. NTSC stands for the National Television Systems Committee,
it is the colour video standard used in North America, Canada, Mexico and Japan.
Some engineers have said it should stand for Never Twice Same Color
because no two NTSC pictures look alike :).
Due to the electric system used in the US it was decided to scan the lines across the NTSC TV screen at about 60Hz
(or 60 half frames per second) which produced 30 whole pictures every second. NTSC resolution is about one sixth less than that of PAL.
This may not seem so bad, but divide a sheet of paper into six even parts and chop one off of the bottom and
you will have a lot of detail lost. NTSC uses 525 horizontal lines of which only about 487 make up the active picture.

PAL stands for Phase Alternating Line, it is the TV standard used for Europe, Hong Kong and the Middle East.
It was a new standard based on the old NTSC system but designed to correct the NTSC colour problems produced
by phase errors in the transmission path. PAL resolution is 625 horizontal lines but only about 540 of these are used for the picture.
PAL is higher quality than NTSC, it keeps a sharper picture and remains closer to the original format produced by
motion picture cameras. Due to the European electric standards it was decided to interlace PAL lines every other line at
50Hz producing 25 whole frames every second.

http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#1.19

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[1.19] Is DVD-Video a worldwide standard? Does it work with NTSC, PAL, and SECAM?
The MPEG video on a DVD is stored in digital format, but it's formatted for one of two mutually incompatible television systems:
525/60 (NTSC) or 625/50 (PAL/SECAM). Therefore, there are two kinds of DVDs: "NTSC DVDs" and "PAL DVDs."
Some players only play NTSC discs, others play PAL and NTSC discs. Discs are also coded for different regions of the world (see 1.10).

Almost all DVD players sold in PAL countries play both kinds of discs. These multi-standard players partially convert
NTSC to a 60-Hz PAL (4.43 NTSC) signal. The player uses the PAL 4.43-MHz color subcarrier encoding format but keeps
the 525/60 NTSC scanning rate. Most modern PAL TVs can handle this "pseudo-PAL" signal. A few multi-standard PAL
players output true 3.58 NTSC from NTSC discs, which requires an NTSC TV or a multi-standard TV.
Some players have a switch to choose 60-Hz PAL or true NTSC output when playing NTSC discs.
There are a few standards-converting PAL players that convert from an NTSC disc to standard PAL output for older PAL TVs.
Proper "on the fly" standards conversion requires expensive hardware to handle scaling, temporal conversion,
and object motion analysis. Because the quality of conversion in DVD players is poor, using 60-Hz PAL output with
a compatible TV provides a better picture than converting from NTSC to PAL. (Sound is not affected by video conversion.)
The latest software tools such as Adobe After Effects and Canopus ProCoder do quite a good job of converting between
PAL and NTSC at low cost, but they are only appropriate for the production environment (converting the video before it is
encoded and put on the DVD). See Snell and Wilcox's The Engineer's Guide to Standards Conversion and
The Engineer's Guide to Motion Compensation for technical details of conversion.

Most NTSC players can't play PAL discs. A very small number of NTSC players (such as Apex and SMC) can convert
PAL to NTSC. External converter boxes are also available, such as the Emerson EVC1595 ($350).
High-quality converters are available from companies such as TenLab and Snell and Wilcox.

Many standards-converting players can't convert anamorphic widescreen video for
4:3 displays. See 1.22.

There are three differences between discs intended for playback on different TV systems: picture dimensions
and pixel aspect ratio (720x480 vs. 720x576), display frame rate (29.97 vs. 25), and surround audio options
(Dolby Digital vs. MPEG audio). (See 3.4 and 3.6 for details.) Video from film is usually encoded at 24 frames/sec
but is preformatted for one of the two required display rates. Movies formatted for PAL display are usually sped up
by 4% at playback, so the audio must be adjusted accordingly before being encoded. All PAL DVD players
can play Dolby Digital audio tracks, but not all NTSC players can play MPEG audio tracks. PAL and SECAM
share the same scanning format, so discs are the same for both systems. The only difference is that SECAM
players output the color signal in the format required by SECAM TVs. Note that modern TVs in most SECAM
countries can also read PAL signals, so you can use a player that only has PAL output. The only case in which
you need a player with SECAM output is for older SECAM-only TVs (and you'll probably need a SECAM RF connection, see 3.1).

A producer can choose to put 525/60 NTSC video on one side of the disc and
625/50 PAL on the other.
Most studios put Dolby Digital audio tracks on their PAL discs instead of MPEG audio tracks.

Because of PAL's higher resolution, the movie usually takes more space on the disc than the NTSC version. See 3.4 for more details.

There are actually three types of DVD players if you count computers.
Most DVD PC software and hardware can play both NTSC and PAL video and both Dolby Digital and MPEG audio.
Some PCs can only display the converted video on the computer monitor, but others can output it as a video signal for a TV.

Bottom line: NTSC discs (with Dolby Digital audio) play on over 95% of DVD systems worldwide.
PAL discs play on very few players outside of PAL countries. (This is irrespective of regions -- see 1.10.)

BTW :
I am currently running a DVD conversion PAL -> NTSC, using
http://www.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/te3xp.html,
and after 8 Hrs 49 Min, it has reached 51% :rolleyes: and is finally on the 2. and last pass.

Quote:

Originally posted by BearCat@Jun 12 2004, 03:52 PM
BTW :
I am currently running a DVD conversion PAL -> NTSC, using
http://www.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/te3xp.html,
and after 8 Hrs 49 Min, it has reached 51% :rolleyes: and is finally on the 2. and last pass.

Geez, seems like a really long time to do a conversion..what kind of machine are you doing it on?
When I did the dvd decryptor/infoedit/ Nero conversion, the entire process took about 2 hours...

@ wase4711 :
Its a AMD XP2200*@2500, with only 512Mb of PC133 :rolleyes: RAM.
The movie is about 1Hr 45min long, and is beeing reencoded using 2-pass VBR, both audio and video.

Now, I have 1 BIG MPEG2 file, without any menu's or subtitles...

So after some more work, with the adding of chapters and a menu, and some "extras",
it will need some more time to encode to a final NTSC DVD.
Too god I dont have to do this too often ;) my el-cheapo standalone DVD player
eats both standards :) but this is just a test, to see if I will be able to convert some
family movies, and send to my wifes family in Venezuela, where they use NTSC.

btw :
a dual CPU setup ( or P4-HT ) might cut tthis time MUCH, I know from some earlier experiments,
using a DELL with dual XEON setup :) Thet was much faster and more fun.

1 coaster so far ;)
Was getting stuck in the animated menu I made....