How many of us actually supports the idea of having a war?

Frankly speaking, I myself actually supports the idea.

I think that it is time that those people are being taught something. That they are not the only ones on this planet.

I think that the way of their living aren't really right. I would not proceed to comment further as I am afraid that I may offend others.

Voice your comment on the WAR?

I don't agree with it.... I'll follow your lead and not go into detail so I don't offend others, but I don't agree with it

I think war should never happen, as I believe its for people with closed minds. I'm not tring to be too neive, however we must think about our problems before we just strike someone because they did something that we don't like.

In that case I would be extremely bitter and have hate pouring out from every poor. I don't have too much hate in me, cause my love and passion fills me up.

I may be nuts :lol: :lol: :lol: :P

My 5 cents (CAD)

When war is a last resort there is no way around it .. Bush has tried every way possible to have a peaceful resolution, the UN played games and Hussein played games ..

in the instance of what has happen it is the only way to go - so I am for it ..

i'm not for it, but hopefully they will just get the job done quick.

I don't like war either, BUT I refuse to stand by and wait for some psyco exstremist to kill my girlfriend and her kids because "we" are "infidels"...

The world is a bad place, and has MANY bad people in it...

the ONLY way to protect Freedom, is to Fight for it...

Just hideing, and hoping that the bad guys either just go away, or Kill someone else besides you is NOT going to make this world safe....

IF we just turn the other cheek, and Ignore these terrorists, then we need to hire ALOT more Fireman and Police to Clean up after the WEEKLY 911's that will follow....

Support our Troups....

Support our Freedom....

One Nation Under GOD.....

SeeYa
:)

I dont like war either.

And as a Canadian, I am embarrassed by my government. My government will not participate in this campaign. They say they wont as the UN does not agree.

I would like everyone to take a small history lesson, and this is probably a review for everyone. This is very small, as the examples I show are only two.

World War 2 - we ignored a dictator and ended up in a full blown world war. The US saved our asses.

And most recently in 1991, a dictator by the name of saddam decided that he had the green light to invade Kuwait. And again, the US went to work.

I hate war. But I hate the possibility of uncertainty, and I dont exactly enjoy fear of the future - especially for my children.

The current crisis is unfolding and its becoming quite clear that saddam likes to kill and torture US soldiers (against the Geneva convention?) and apparently likes to put civilians on rooftops of suspected Iraq government operatives. And now we might even see the "smoking gun." An apperent chemical factory that the Iraq governent does not have has maybe been found. And it has only been a few days since this campaign has started. I wonder what else will be found in the coming days.

The Iraqi people need to be rescued. Some may die from war operatives... but imagine the amount that would continue to die if the leader was left to torture and kill his own people. Saddam has killed, tortured and experimented with his own people. His children apparently rape women whenever the need is felt!

I dont like getting into a political arena with my brothers and sisters at betaone. We are all entitled to our opinions - that is what a world community is all about. And forgive me if I have offended anyone here - but in my opinion this war is necessary. Saddam must be removed, and by WHATEVER force is necessary.

And once again I wish to put forth my sadness in regards to my government. Most Canadians dont feel the way our PM does.

And God Bless America and Americas Soldiers - god speed to all of them.

A portion of The War Prayer
By Mark Twain, written ~1904

It was a time of great and exalting excitement. The country was up in arms, the war was on, in every breast burned the holy fire of patriotism; the drums were beating, the bands playing, the toy pistols popping, the bunched firecrackers hissing and sputtering; on every hand and far down the receding and fading spreads of roofs and balconies a fluttering wilderness of flags flashed in the sun; daily the young volunteers marched down the wide avenue gay and fine in their new uniforms, the proud fathers and mothers and sisters and sweethearts cheering them with voices choked with happy emotion as they swung by; nightly the packed mass meetings listened, panting, to patriot oratory which stirred the deepest deeps of their hearts and which they interrupted at briefest intervals with cyclones of applause, the tears running down their cheeks the while; in the churches the pastors preached devotion to flag and country and invoked the God of Battles, beseeching His aid in our good cause in outpouring of fervid eloquence which moved every listener.

"O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle - be Thou near them! With them, in spirit, we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it - for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen."


I FULLY support the actions of my government and the troops who are fighting and dying for their country. Look at how Iraq treats our POW's. I can't imagine the HORROR those people are going through, especially the woman.

War is hell. Talk to any war veteran. My dad fought in Korea, so I know of what I speak. But our freedom does not come without cost and sacrifice. While I respect my fellow citizens right to protest, I disagree.

We had 3000 people MURDERED on 9/11. What would it take for you to fight for your country? A nuclear attack on a US city? Millions dead? Probably not even then. You take your freedom for granted. At least you won't have your tongue cut out, be put in an acid bath or a human shredder as is done in Iraq.

Now that we are in Iraq, I say that we must win. If we back out now, it only shows the terrorists that we don't have the HEART to defend our principles. That would do more damage than anything that will happen in the war.

I remember Bush saying after 9/11 that it's time for the countries of the world to decide: Are you with us or against us? We are starting to see how things will shake out.

Iraq is only the beginning. We still have at least 2 other axis countries to deal with. It is really the beginning of WWIII. A fight the survival of our civilization. We just don't know it yet.

War is a part of human nature. Look back on human history. And only the strong survive. To put it more bluntly, it is kill or be killed, plain and simple.

MNKid

well, it is best that such things don't happen. cos when it does, there is sure to be pain to those who may lose their loved ones.

I am not againts war but it should be in accordance with the UN. But what US did, I am againts with it....it seems that UN now doesnt have any use at all.

Skloo77: Sometimes it's hard not to offend others, right? Next time just start a poll instead, thus avoiding to insult yourself.

The war has just begun. For the moment it seems hard to discuss the topic - to much feelings involved, far to few braines used. A weekly poll while we are counting the dead and measuring the level of anxiety for the future?

Its always a difficult subject, although in this case I have no doubts whatsoever that the US, UK, and its allies are doing the right thing.

The diplomats can attempt to settle this diplomatically for the next century - untill them and their own children will be under threat - by which time it would have been too late. There are chemical and biological weapons unaccounted for. Sadam claims they have been disposed of - but somehow I dont think he is a very trustworthy source. We are talking about the same person who murders and tortures his own civillians who dare speak out against a sick regime.

Losses are inevitable, but at the moment Iraq is something that can be contained. For each additional month the military action was to be delayed, he grew stronger. In a perfect world, there would be no need for war. In this case its the only solution.

If the UN had stood by it's stated intentions this latest war would have had to happen. If Saddam Hussain had been removed from power 12 years ago this PROBABLY wouldn't have been necessary. The UN could only work if all the member nations had the same goals, or at least goals they could agree upon ( And that will never happen as long as France are involved IMHO). The right to Veto any resolution should be stripped from all the nations and it should be run as a democracy- not with the elite few controlling all the shots.

I don't particularly like war.
I abhor the loss of life, both civilian and military of any nation, religion, color or creed.

Do i think that the "Coalition" are correct in what they are doing? Yes
Do i support this war? Yes
Do I support the soldiers fighting this war? Yes

Saddam Hussain has had 12 years of diplomatic pressure and sanctions, he was supposed to have destroyed all his scuds, he's now firing the scuds he hasn't got at Kuwait. Why has Saddam issued his troops with new gas masks? Allied forces would NEVER use chemical/biological weapons in this war. Too much cloak and dagger and not enough plain old honesty

I think the world would be a better place if we

just

took all our clothes off and had an orgy

safe sex of course........and the fat one is yours

Erm, ummmm.... big girls need lovin too :D :P

:)

/JD

I am against this war, but with that said I totally support the troups. It's unforntunate that policies that were put in place 12 years ago were never followed, too much money was to be made Maybe if they were this wouldn't have had to happen. One can say this makes th UN totally useless, but they have a tendancy not to follow through anyway. At this point it time doesn't really matter if for or against, it's happening. It needs to be finished this time around. Going to be a lot of innocent people hurt along the way, and my prayers go out to all of them and their families.

I'm 100% for this "War". Should have happened 12 years ago. Sorry, but the UN is worthless and I don't think too many people are going to listen to what they have to say any longer. But who knows...

And I agree about the UN. If we are going to still have this UN. Anyways, no country should have supreme control over everyone else. Everyone's vote should count the same. Every Country should be able to veto. But each veto counts the same. Or no one can.

That's what its all about, not a dictatorship like we have now in Iraq.

Please don't get me wrong, I don't like WAR either, but it is our only choice. Saddam Hussein and the rest of the World made it our last resource by not agreeing on something to do about it. Everyone is suppose to play an equal role, but that never happened and probably never will.

North Korea is just asking for it. Maybe we are not that worried about them because just maybe the CIA already has control. ;) Maybe not. Who knows. I'm sure we will just try and take him out like we have Saddam Hussein for the past 12 years. A little bullet to the head.

JD, thats just an excuse - you like fat girls, cause fat girls cant run ;)

But they hit twice as hard :P

Not to mention more cushion for the pushin

Wait a second, how did we go from the war in Iraq to giant orgys with fat girls?

Ahh... yes, the crew got involved ;) ;) ;)

Nothing wrong with a healthily depraved crew :P

trminatr said about all that I have to say about it except that as a former member of the military I support our country and our president to the max and always will.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Actually it's 'cause I'm a 300 pound lesbian trapped in a man's body :P

And they CAN run, but when you fasten one foot to the floor they tend to go in circles :D

(ummm, no offense meant to either lesbians nor "big boned" women ;) ) :ph34r:

:D

/JD

Need I say more...

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Zo

Hi GSD, some time ago...

Yesterday that was Bin Laden, who is it tomorrow?

I don't think we should have gone to war just *yet* but I do have one thought. Aside from the fact that Saddam is a dictator, whose right is it to say what is right or wrong? In the end it is just a bunch of opinions, right? Seems extremely pompous to me. I would not have been against war in due time, but Bush had his sights fixed on the middle east since 9/11. There is a difference between "might for right" and "might for vengeance and political gain". Right now, Bush is swinging heavily on the latter and I don't appreciate it personally. That's my 2c.

North Korea!!!



For those of you who do not support the war, just keep in mind that most of the airmen, marines, soldiers, and sailors do not like war (heck...they're the ones getting shot at). They have sworn to "protect and defend the constitution of the United States of America" and their personal views are a moot point. When the Commander-in-Chief gives them a lawful order, they must follow through. So don't get mad at the ones fighting the war (Vietnam ring a bell?). All they ask is to be appreciated for the job they do--do YOU like getting shot at?

Unfortunately, the USA IS the world's gestapo...personally, I wish we would bring ALL our troops stationed around the world back and let all the other countries take care of themselves--especially the ones who don't like our presence in their country. Wouldn't it be great to not worry about other countries' problems and get our own domestic problems solved? Sure, we give food and medicine to other countries but what about the ones in our own country who need it just as bad?

I guess all I'm saying is that it's your right to disagree with the war, just support the ones fighting it.

No doubt in my mind that the US/UK will win. I only question the benefits vs. the cost. And the cost is greater than the billions of bux spent.

Nemisis: North Korea you say... Hmm, it never ends?

Now todays question: Is it the US that is Nemesis, or is it the wrath of Nemisis that one day will hit the US? What goes around comes around and in the end I'm afraid we will all learn that it takes an idiot to use a smart bomb.

I'm a Canadian, but I did spend 3 years in the US Army and 4 years in the US Air Force.

I'm not opposed to war, per se, but think the US Administration rushed into this for reasons that are not totally clear to many people. It was sold as part of 9/11, which is a bit of a push. The cost is huge in relation to what's will be gained.

It's complex, each major government has an interest to protect. It's a politcal war and we're trying to make it out as a humanitarian war. I'm still convinced there are hidden agendas that impact on govenment decisions that many of us don't really take into account.

Silly me . . .

All this time I believed this war was about the assumed presence of biological and chemical warheads that haven't been found yet. Or was it about the ties to Bin Laden? Uhm no, there isn't any proof for that eigther. Ah, I got it now, it's to free Iraq from a dictator. That would makes sence to people. Yes. That's it! It's to bring freedom to Iraq. . .

Sorry for the confusion . . . ;)

And let it be said that we don't work with any hidden agendas. All we do is genuine!

OK Le Cactus. Touche. But if that is the case, I wonder why there is so much difference of opinion between the major powers in the world.

Seems to me there is more to it than just freeing Iraqis from a dictator. If so, then the US Calendar for future "missions" must be pretty long. Gonna keep a lot of people busy for a really long time.

Maybe it's about OIL. After all, that's why Saddam went into Kuwait 10 years ago. It's a game of global poker and maybe the chips are oil reserves. Watch out when the coporate hi-rollers are moving behind the political scene.

The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again. In one age, called the Third age by some, an Age yet to come, an Age long past, a wind rose. The wind was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings to the turning of the Wheel of Time...

/JD

Ah, JacKDynne, you are a philosopher and you give us cause to pause and dream--dream the impossible dream.

I was thinking about ages past this morning, how my father's ancestors were forced out of a constantly waring and very bloody Scotland in the early 1600's to work the plantations in Ulster, then how in the early 1700's they fled to avoid starving to North America. Then some went back to the Europe to give their lives in different but similar battles, centuries later. You're right, JacKDynne. The Wheel does turn.....