hi all... i just came across an idea in the Eazywarez board by a guy named Halldor777. seems good if implemented properly... This is what he suggested, but in my words ->

Basically it's like forming a ring of FTP servers, the access shared only between its members, never traded to outsiders. Sure many people are doing it... but with the resourcefulness of each member, the ring could be a big depleter of the billions that the software industry makes [img]smile.gif[/img]

Each member have full leech access to other members' server. As stated, access is restricted ONLY for those within the fellowship of the ring (heh can't resist that one). There has to be some sort of guidelines that members have to adhere to. For example:

-all members must use ICQ or other messenger proggies specially for the ftp ring
-servers must be up 24/7
-must have a predetermined minimum limit of files served
-must be active in the search of new stuffs
-must vow to keep holy access secret or face fatal punishment ;)
-must notify all members if ftp going down
-must be FAST!

i dunno, those are the ones on top of my head.

So, what do you guys think? Stupid, Brilliant, or Worthless Sh*t Spewed By A Drunk?

IF this has been done and is old news, then forgive me for my blatant ignorance n stupidity :cool:

It sound's like a good idea to me [img]smile.gif[/img]
I will imidiately shut down access to my server, for people not fully able to follow these guidelines ;)


Nah, just kidding...
Most of this is OK ( my [b:56f90f40d8]private[/b:56f90f40d8] users follow this ),
but what about all the people not able to run a fast server 24/7 ?

Hi modD. That was basically my idea as well. Except I called it a "Pyramid" distribution scheme. If you reread my Thread called "CrowDirt's Server" you will find more details there. So it's now "FTP Sysops Unite". Count me in. Judging by the haphazzard way FTP Servers are used now on the board, it has not been done before here.

[ November 16, 2001: Last edited by crowdirt ]</p>

[quote]Originally posted by Saskias BearCat:
but what about all the people not able to run a fast server 24/7 ?<hr></blockquote>

that was just a suggestion... and i don't think it's a good one :(

i think the servers don't need to be fast 24/7, but they have to be up regularly. not once a week or so...

Hi modD, I expect getting something like this "off the ground" will take some time. The process will need quite a few "Reliable Servers" in place to form a basis to work from. After that its a question of how to get stuff "Distributed" to folks. Large CD sized items are a real problem for the 56er's, as BearCat has pointed out. A 56er was asking about this kind of thing in another Thread a day or so ago. You will find comments from me scattered among several Threads over the last while. Lots of convincing and selling to do. :eek: :rolleyes:

[ November 16, 2001: Last edited by crowdirt ]</p>

What do you call "Fast"? It sounds like most of us have the basic broadband with limited upload speed but, still faster than 56k.

ya know, the more i think about this, the more i feel it defeats the purpose of 'sharing with everyone'. it's like the people in the ring will seperate themselves with the other users who don't have the luxury of broadband or other criterias.

well i don't know. the practicality(?) of it is slowly slipping from my mind [img]tongue.gif[/img]

That's why there are services like
Napster, Bearshare, edonkey ? we can go on nd on.
which is exactly the same thing!

[img:24d8179cba]http://kean.orcon.net.nz/jupflag1.gif[/img:24d8179cba]

I really don't like this idea ;)

I'm here since a long time now :D

I respect the rules of the FTP members but I can't have an ftp here because my connection is only 56k and I have no other choice ;)

I live about 5 miles to the city where they have access to ADSL

But not me

Really not a good idea for me ;)

Hey I like the idea but my only concerns is for the 56ker's after all I was once a 56ker my self so I know what it like can you beleve I download Maya 4 using a 56k modem along with Gozilla not that it made that much of diference :eek: the idea sounds fly, I could sit infront of this PC for months and could not come up with an idea for the 56k users the ony thing I could think of is upgrade and that is not possible for guyz like Bads 1 :confused: :confused: :confused:

i think as long as the ftp is up regularly, 56kers could benefit from it too, cause they can resume for quite some time. and if there are enough servers that hosts the same files, 421 errors could be brought down [img]smile.gif[/img]

In the not too distant future folks will be quite interested on moving around DVD disks of stuff. There are DVD Writers starting to show up in the Retail stores now. A typical CD of (600 MB) takes something like 3-12 hrs on a Broadband Connection. A single side DVD holds some 4.7 GB of stuff. There are Double Sided ones around as well. Transferring a DVD on a Broadband Connection is looking like several days. 56K modems will never make it in such a World. All you can do is P-mail actual disks. If you want to do much with DVD's you need a "Fibre" Connection.

Just for let you know,

I'm a 56k user and I download about 1 gig per week and I am not connect all the times :cool:

Not too bad for a 56k modem ?

Hi Bads 1, so that's about 4.7 GB/month. That would be 1 DVD disk. If you calculate what a 56K modem can do, the theoretical max. if you run the modem all the time, is around 8 GB/month. :eek: Broadband which is something like 100 times faster should do 800 GB/month or about 1 TB/month. Better, but still not good enough if you want to spend the evening watching Videos.

Looks good on paper!!

zo

I'm willing to try this. I will limit my server to 1 or 2 anon logins and reserve the rest for those willing to swap server accounts. I am ready for a change, I don't have access to any private servers here but mine has been up 24/7 for the peeps here to leech from for weeks.

I have gotten uploaded:
ATGUARD.BUILD.3.22.1 [1.75mb]
Sygate 3.11 [2.40mb]
WXPH_6in1_en [563mb]
.r21 of Devilsown [15mb]

What has been downloaded:
Server is ALWAYS full... hundreds of GB downloaded [150gb server].

What irritates me? Well over 100 IPs banned [peeps from THIS board] for constant non-stop hammering that sux up bandwidth for those already on. Scores of peeps wanting priv l/p access accounts who do not run servers and for the most part have no intention of sharing with others.

Hey what are we waiting for lets get it on dudez.

I've already created a group account on my server called FTPring Who! wants to be the first user added only accepting two user per IP HE he he!!! :D :D :D


Knowledge----is%%%Power

[ November 18, 2001: Last edited by Megaduce ]</p>

[quote]Originally posted by Megaduce:
Hey what are we waiting for lets get it on dudez.

I've already created a group account on my server called FTPring Who! wants to be the first user added only accepting two user per IP HE he he!!! :D :D :D


Knowledge----is%%%Power

[ November 18, 2001: Last edited by Megaduce ]<hr></blockquote>


i would [img]smile.gif[/img] but i have to wait for my new hard drive. on top of that, i have to wait until my cable isp stabilizes its connection [img]redface.gif[/img]

Hey when you're ready just PM me for access Dude no prob.


Let get PARTY Started right :D :D [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img]

Knowledge----is%%%%Power

[ November 18, 2001: Last edited by Megaduce ]</p>

Hi Warezrocks, just a few ideas to pass along. You, Megaduce, modD have access to my server now. That is a small part of this process. The method I used which was the IP# thingy ment that "Everyone" is Banned to start with. Adding a small number of IP#'s that can access resulted in only those folks trying to connect to the machine. Nobody would hammer away in that case because it is pointless to do that. I suppose you could call the server a "Private" machine, although I prefer to think of it as "Limited Access". All servers on the Net are Limited Access eventually, because the machines do not have capacity to Serve Everyone. So in that sense every machine is ultimately a Private Server for one reason or another. The only issue is finding the right number of folks that the Available Bandwidth can handle properly. Folks have been quite good at uploading to my server, and I added some things as well.

In my case 1 upload serves 6-7 others. Obviously a ratio of a sort. If there was more Bandwidth available then it could be 1:20-30 or more etc. In the end there will always be a ratio, Bandwidth is not infinite.

I have had quite a few folks looking for an account too. I simply put them in a Hold List. My interest is to find other folks that are also FTP Sysops. At the moment I have several. Connecting FTP Sysops forms a "Backbone" that ultimately can support quite a few folks that are not able to run a server for one reason or another. Guess that is part of the "Dream" too.

Hey crow when can I get access Dude I have some stuff that I to upload to U if you dont mind. :D :D [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img]

[img:d522603f79]http://www.warezgallery.d2g.com/[/img:d522603f79]

You can be rest assured that if we founded a server on a major TR-1 network. That we could all feed her. However, since most of us do not have broadband, meaning dedicated T1 - OC-XX, we would have to find different means to distro them.

One way, St. Louis, and NYC are major TR-1 hubs. If somehow we got access to one of their networks, have a server on their we would be able to have a mini server, that contained a few rare esstentials.

There are many more OC-3 carriers for us to get hosting on. The problem is thus... how do we convince network ops to use their network servers to trade on?

Any ideas on this on?

Sincerely,
Cyberion

Hi Megaduce, did your IP# change again? If it has, PM me the new one and I will update. There are some new things on the Server also. I keep checking it to make sure its available on the net. Been working well, sometimes its quiet and fast when nobody is using it.

Hey guys count me in. I can USUALLY leave it on 24/7 but I do like my games!(Alien vs Predator 2 and Wolfenstein) But it should'nt be a prob, cause we won't have people HAMMERING and just plain SITTING THERE(btw, those are the one's I boot)Pm me if your interested and we can work this out! ;) ;)

Hi poolman, most of the folks that are interested in this are also connected to the "Crow's Nest". I would like to see some sort of FTP Sysop "Net" in place that works well too. Will take some time.

Folks need to be able to run an FTP Site well, and have a good idea what its all about. I have had some great "Laughs" from folks trying to run an FTP site and they do not even know the difference between Routable and NonRoutable IP$s. Running a "Server" is very different from a Workstation also. I mentioned before that you basically need at least 2 computers to do this kind of thing and run some proper "Server" software. Otherwise you are looking at endless problems with Stability.

i've got my new hd, and i'm currently filling it with stuffs. and i've opened an ftp ring acc to start this (hopefully hehe)

PM me for details...

crowdirt & megaduce, you've got PM [img]smile.gif[/img]

i still have a lot of things to do after a new installation so it might not always be up

[ November 26, 2001: Last edited by modD ]</p>

Sounds a bit like that Hotline network which looks pretty lame (=innocent) on the surface but allows for invisible servers that you can still connect to, providing you know their name and have a username/password.

If you did it that way, you would already have established the framework, and you could just add the users one by one which you would have to anyway if you ban all and then add single IPs at a time.

Hi folks, when you use "username/password" the Password has to be kept "Secret" if you expect to have any Security. Also some folks like to "Hammer" on password control to see if they can break it. :eek:

Using IP#'s means that only "That" machine can access a site. The number does not have to be kept "Secret", and folks know there is no point to "Hammer". "Always On" broadband service that folks have in place, to move lots of stuff, generally have no problems retaining a given IP# for a long period of time. [img]smile.gif[/img]

And you should change your "Password" from time to time anyway!!! [img]redface.gif[/img] ;)

Good point crowdirt! That's what I've started to do(user/Pass and IP #), it prevents ALOT of unneeded trouble! :D :D

Actually another way of looking at the IP# on Broadband is that its equivalent to a Telephone # or Cellphone #. If the person at the other end of the connection knows how to use system logs then they have the Equivalent of "Caller ID" on their computer. If you limit the # of connections but have a list of allowed callers then you have something like "Call Waiting" in place.

Seems things don't Really change all that much. :cool: :rolleyes:

[b:0bc24c2ff5]Hi folks, when you use "username/password" the Password has to be kept "Secret" if you expect to have any Security. Also some folks like to "Hammer" on password control to see if they can break it. [/b:0bc24c2ff5]


I Totally agree with you crowdirt :D :rolleyes: :D

ah... in that case i guess i'll be switching to using ip addys instead of simple user/pass. at least i would easily know who's logging in.

Poolman, you still having problems connecting?

Hi Folks, its worth a try for a week or so. I found using IP#'s to be "Simple" to do and very trouble free. Get a few folks working that way and watch how it works for a bit, I expect you will like it a lot. [img]smile.gif[/img] Once there are several serving Sites going then we can think more about the "Ring" thing.

Thought for the Day: There are lots of "Worms" in a "Can of Worms". But if you have enough "Crows"...... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I'd like to add a thought that I didn't see brought up in this thread. All these FTPs running by us little guys is a problem to the software companies. Although once we band as one and become a sort of MOB, don't you think they will go for the ring? We are better just serving what we enjoy or what's hot for that month and leave it at that.

Just my thought [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Well I expect KaZaA, BearShare, Limeware, Morpheus et. all will keep the legal beagles busy for some time at least. All we have to do is be inconspicuous and hard to find.

How about running a eDonkey server? This would give a large software collection environment to hold on to. Files would more easily be released.

Someone just needs to run a server. The rest can be taken by individual servers.

Just a thought,
Cyberion

Hi Folks,the problem with KaZaA, BearShare, Limeware, Morpheus, eDonkey et. all is that they are focused on lots of small unrelated files. Basically the same approach as 51soft takes. The question is, have you ever done a CD sized item with any of this stuff without a lot of fussing around to keep all the segments organized? Try a set of 3-4 CD's or even a DVD Disk and see how it goes.

well... why not? i have tried to start a group before though

Sound good, but I think Direct Connect is a good solution. If any can run a hub 24/7 ppl can enter and share everything that they want. (I want to share but I can't run a FTP server or a hub because I have just one machine to do everything (work, study, play, etc) and I need reset and update my system all day)

im all for it... only prob is im capped at 15k upstream!!!