Discovered an odd thing about SP1, there's something that it doe's by way of Windows Media Player that prevent's You from copying or imaging Copyrighted media. On three different computers it prevented Clone CD, Nero, and WinIso from imaging or copying game CD's. It caused them give an error claiming they couldn't read from the source CD because it was corrupt. After I went to add and remove Windows component's and removed, or denied access to media player everything was back to normal. Anyone else had this problem yet?? It also made no difference whether it was Media Player 8 or 9.

I have made some proggie iso's for backup purposes so far, but not of any games.

I have no prblem here,

Did you check the tab about security etc.......in the options ?

I've also done other ISO image's and copied an XP cd, it was never apparent that
there was any problem until I tried to copy some Sim's CD's. Then like I said before
it affected Clone CD, Nero, and WinIso. It was not a security issue, and it affected three different computer's in exactly the same way. All three went back to normal as soon as I removed Windows Media Player, Version 8 on one, and 9 on the other two.

I burn some CD-Backup each week with Nero and I never had problem with it and I have windows media player 9 installed

I read someplace, during the past few days that MS is indeed planning to integrate copy controls for cd's that have copy protection. This article related specifically to the new protected audio cd's that use the last track as the protection gimmick. Do you suppose this feature is already in version 9 beta of the player?

check this story it's about intel incororation anti-piracy mesures into a new line of chips.

This stuff is just getting out of control, I wonder if the MPAA donated to Intel.
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/25...eatures+.shtml

Well to speak honestly, shouldn't they be allowed to try and protect their property? I mean, we may not like it, but they do in fact have that right of ownership. We are just getting a license to USE it. Software or music or whatever. It's all about the might dollar, of course. And billions are at stake. Can't blame them for trying.

It's just a cat-and-mouse game really. They raise the bar with more sophisticated anti-copying measures and all you experts find ways around it. I remember all the gloom-and doom when product activation came out. Well look at it now! Been going on for decades and always will be. There will never be a full-proof method to stop copying. They just want to minimize it as much as they can. We just have to stay ahead of the curve.

Yes they should but through the hardware we buy, I don't like that everyone pays more for that in the end price of the product and honest people don't deserve to and also in a way it's censorship and control over you that's onto you.

Where in Hell have you guys been hiding????

Intel and especially M$ have jumped to the front in offering their services to help RIAA and the Movie Industry stop all you "naughty" copy people? Intel volunteered to produce what will be the MANDATORY chips for new motherboards starting when ever Congress passes the legislation (should be soon as there is a LOT of "contributions" to Congressional members coming from the recording and movie Industry being shoveled into Washington). There's been a number of petitions on the web to lobby Congress not to pass this legislation - but Congress listens to Money much more than random petitions.

To help this "worthy" cause that's REALLY being pushed by the RIAA and movie moguls, your friendly OS monopoly King (M$) has volunteered to put software in place to do an interim step at copy protection. I'm surprised that they were able to whip up a package this quickly for SP1, but if the item to be copied has the new no-copy ID then evidently SP1 will not allow the copy??? But then again, with the law suite from the 9 states still continuing, and a new threat from more suits from additional states, M$ is looking for every bit of leverage they can get.

You might try turning off IMAPI under services and anything else connected with it. Or disabling Media Player, etc. MAybe that'll get around any temporary patch in SP1.

If, I guess "When" is a better word, the legislation becomes law, ALL new motherboards MUST have the anti-copy chip in place or it doesn't get into the US (legally, any way).

All together now, say: "My how we all love Intel and Microsoft 'cause they simply do everything in our best interests!!"

Then go back about your business defending those slimey jerks and loving their buggy I.E., Outlook Express, Windows Scripting, on and on ad nauseum.

Most sites LATELY, including this one, have caved into the pressure from M$ regarding talking about "M$ taboo" subjects. Either they are starting to receive "donations" from M$, or they just don't have any BALLS left!!!!!

Note for MinnesotaKid:
Right NOW you have a legal right under existing U.S. Federal law to make one copy of any disk that you purchase! No licensing agreement is allowed to circumvent this provision - although they would like to imply that you only "licensed" the item. The law is clear. If you paid for a license and a disk, you ARE allowed to make ONE copy of the disk for backup purposes. Obviously, any new legislation promoted by the Industry will negate that provision, should it pass.



Last edited by Woogieman at Today at 5:57 pm

A note on that subject. It has to be an exact copy, and backup circumventing copy protection does not qualify.

Well if it Copy-Protected, how are you supposed to legally make a copy of it? If the whole idea behind copy protection is to prevent people from copying it, then how are we to legally make our ONE copy for backup purposes without someone "avoiding" the copy protection?

Could it be that Palladium is kicking in a bit early? I personally use Linux so have no problem. However if there are problems with the SP then perhaps I won't install it on my rarely used XP partition.



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Law makers don't care (or for the most part, don't know) about details. They're not about to tell you HOW to do it, you're just damn lucky they said OK to passing the law. The original law slid through back in the days when there wasn't much in the way of copy protection; not the huge increase in home recorders - AND it was mostly designed whith the thought of floppies in mind (probably why there wasn't much opposition).

Right now, though, if you use a Lite-On drive along with CDClone, you can copy about 99.99% of all the CD's floating around. So you can still exercize your rights under the law.

As for the new copy protection schemes they'll be circumvented just as all have to date - If a CD has to be read by a CD drive to gather the data, then you should be able to do a work around on the protection scheme. For instance, one new scheme is easily defeated by simply blackening out the outside quarter inch of the CD with a felt tip pen - then any recorder can copy the contents per his/her legal rights.

I'm not a fanatic about copying disks; I don't do the swapping MP3 file thing on the internet, nor download the latest movies before they even hit the theaters; BUT, I am concerned about WE THE PEOPLE being pushed around by some of these sleazy, IMHO, corporations - and M$ seems to lead the pack.

If M$ hadn't used slimey tatics to force the oems, contractually, to dictate what Operating System we're forced to use, we would have had more and much better choices than Windows by now. The added competition from others certainly would have pushed M$ to produce a better product than this bug ridden, security joke that we have today. And don't give me that shit that we can always go to Linux - I have 3 systems running on Linux right now, but what about the normal John/Jane Doe's that don't have the knowledge or time to work through Linux. Not to mention that almost all software houses received plenty of pressure to NOT produce a Linux version of necessary business and personal software. There's always Star Office, you say - get fucking REAL!!! Industry consultants have been afraid to start advising clients to switch to Star Office. Those that have started down that path have been quickly jerked back to reality by "industry" pressures. Guess who in Hell they meant by "Industry pressures".

I don't make copies to distribute to every Tom, Dick and Harry that asks for one. But I DO have the intestinal fortitude to stand up for my rights, and the rights of others, and help them excersie their rights under the law regardless of any M$ pressure - how many of you can say the same. Or better yet, how many of you have the guts to do it without caving in?

Incidently, if M$ had offered Windows at the same $17 to $26 rate per copy that the oems paid (read the court transcriptions) then who would bother running off copies ??????

Here's hoping that collectively, this group can do the right thing and help people - and I'm not talking about the wholesale distribution of illegal disks, although I can certainly see why some use this as a tool to get back at the wrongs M$ has forced on us all.

I know these thoughts are foreign to the loyal fans of M$, and to those that can't see past Windows to understand that Windows is pretty much a poor collection of loosely woven routines. With REAL competition, I repeat, today we COULD have had a better OS to work with. It could have been a better Windows or whatever brand, but that would take a real spirit of competition in action, not a monopoly in action.........



Last edited by Woogieman at Today at 6:20 am

Right on, Woogieman. Well said.

I totally agree with you

Woogieman.

I just installed Mandrake and redhat on 2 PC..

time will tell ...

Ms$ never learn even with so many lawsuit..
their dominance is second to none.. :-)

i believe that we have the rights to have backup copy of if we own an original copy.

you are right, skloo77

but you have to use the backup only for your personal use

have a nice day
kernel

if the film industry support Palladium, any future OS will have to support a trusted environment... Soon a "copy and paste" action will be a legal issue...



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