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SIRCOOKS 21st Mar 05 08:25 PM

accessing evo x dash
 
evo x dash is installed on my xbox, but how do i access the dash board, can some one help please

PCTech 22nd Mar 05 02:29 AM

Your post is related to a modchip, as this is illegal and WILL NOT be discussed here, I recommend that you call Microsoft Tech Support, there is a phone# in your xbox manual, and tell them you want to access the "evox" dashboard that you installed with your modchip! make sure you tell them your address and name as well!

Moderators or Administrators please close this post

http://www.betaone.net/forum/thread-8224.html

~PCTech

poolman 22nd Mar 05 04:05 AM

is there really any harm in talking about it? Just google it there are plenty of forums related to this subject

robinwilson16 22nd Mar 05 09:49 AM

I'm not sure about whether this one breaks any rules either
Will let someone else close it if decided it should be as I am not sure

~*McoreD*~ 22nd Mar 05 09:54 AM

I think the rules are different from country to country. Here in Australia modchips were not banned until a year ago. I pretty sure it is not banned in some countries e.g. Canada?

It's a grey area anyway. In my opinion, once you have bought the hardware it's yours. You should have the full rights playing with it.

Cheers,
McoreD

PCTech 22nd Mar 05 12:59 PM

I agree, however: below are the rules for the console section

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Quote by: tubebuoy - BetaONE Head Moderator

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Hello and welcome to BetaONE.

Please read these rules.

1. BetaONE is NOT a warez board! We do NOT provide cracks or links to illegal software.

2. If you request cracks or links to illegal software you will be given ONE warning! If you persist in such requests you WILL be BANNED from BetaONE!

3. BetaONE is a family friendly board. Members should NOT post racist, sexist, homophobic, or in general, derogatory comments. There is NO flaming on BetaONE! Period!

4. Please look at ALL of the forums on BetaONE. Try and post your comments or questions in the most appropriate forum.

Thank you,

The BetaONE Team.



Note - This includes Modchips or anything illegal


Zone-MR 22nd Mar 05 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ~*McoreD*~
It's a grey area anyway. In my opinion, once you have bought the hardware it's yours. You should have the full rights playing with it.

I couldn't agree more, and I can't begin to express my frustration for heavilly-bribed lawmakers who seem to think otherwise. I can buy some components and put together my own PC or games console, which does what I want. Similarly, it should be perfectly within my rights to buy an existing console, and modify it as I see fit.

Five years ago I would have never expected that tinkering with electronics, or modifying your own devices to do what you wanted them to, could possibly become illegal.

SIRCOOKS, no matter how stupid we think the laws are, we don't have much of a choice but to abide by them. Therefore, we cannot help you with your problem. I would advise you find a forum hosted in countries where the legal system is still relatively sane, and ask your questions there. I would also advise that you spend a few minutes of your time, writing to your senator/MP/representative urging them to take a stand against our gradual loss of freedom to tinker with electronics.

SIRCOOKS 22nd Mar 05 01:17 PM

i did not requst anything, ask for anything, i wasn't racist in asking anything i hope, i simply asked for help for something i allready owned. where i live in the bahamas, theres nothing stopping me. if i pissed you off, fine, IM SORRY, but your opinion does not supercede the opinions of the board

poolman 22nd Mar 05 10:35 PM

check your PM, SIRCOOKS ;)

Cactus 23rd Mar 05 09:19 PM

It's not the modchip that is illegal (or at least not everywhere) but the Evolution X dashboard uses parts of Microsoft's original copyrighted source code and it was compiled with an illegal/stolen xdk. Luckily there are other site that at least let you discuss such software (try hxxp://www.xbox-scene.com you'l find your answer) as long as you don't request links to the software. That I understand.

Speeding is against the law, but we can talk about it here without a problem as long we don't encourage people to do it. We can even ask people how to make our cars go even faster. When it comes to Evolution X however it suddenly does become a problem.
Isn't that a bit odd? :confused:
Besides, there are threads here where people ask for cracks. Isn't that what you should worry about?

Maybe the rules are a tat to much here. Even the newsbot can't obey them. :p

Cheers,
Cacti

@Sircooks: If haven't already solved your problem PM me, that is allowed as far as I know...

SIRCOOKS 23rd Mar 05 11:50 PM

thanks for your support guys

PCTech 24th Mar 05 12:36 AM

I just dont understand, its black and white, evox is a dash installed on an xbox, to install it you must have a modchip, and you must therefore get past the copyright protection schemes of the xbox (by passing security features and the intellectual property of microshaft). Installed with a modchip, illegal dash board, illegal chip (should be everywhere) as it does bypass built in protection schemes of the xbox. How much clearer does one have to get? Sorry If I came across a little strong (or a lot), but if you have to do it with one item to get another item to work when 1 or more of them is illegal, dont you think its a bad idea? just curious I mean wow, black and white never produced a gray line to me! I know once you own it its yours I agree perfectly as long as it DOESN'T interfer with someone or another companies right or in this case copyrights and intelectual property. I dont even see a practical use for a modchip other than to not have the DVD kit which I think sucks to buy just to watch movies. I cannot find a logical use for a modchip.

I support your right to own it and do as you wish with it, as long as you are legal and dont violate any copyright laws doing it.

Searching for the gray area,
~PCT

SIRCOOKS 24th Mar 05 12:43 AM

Yah!!...uhmmm......ok

poolman 24th Mar 05 03:09 AM

ok i have 3 kids 2 7 yr olds and 1 9yr old and they love to play games. To bad the games do not always agree with them and get scratched making them unplayable. I just spent $50 bucks, now if i could install a mod chip and a larger HD and put the game on the HD so there is no need to insert a disk anymore, would'nt that be great ??

Thats why mod chips are good. I should'nt need to buy the game over and over and yes i can only watch my kids so much. They do get into the games when i am not around.

Thats a logical reason

SIRCOOKS 24th Mar 05 03:11 AM

thanks for your support man...

Cyberion 24th Mar 05 07:24 AM

PCTecie - your right.. people shouldn't need to break copyright laws, its not game nor "mode of expression" but a way to see what the heck the programer do behind the scenes. That to me, encourages competition which furthers business and is recipent friendly.

Cactie - Ya.. speeding bbooooooo... hhehe...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If you were able to wipe the drive clean... ?? You need to flash the bios (the illegal part). Then installing the Dashboard, I've never heard of installing a peice of software to be illegal...

Superscan
Code:

http://www.foundstone.com/index.htm?subnav=resources/navigation.htm&subcontent=/resources/proddesc/superscan.htm
Is a tool used to port scan and find services on remote computers.. its not illegal.. but can be used for clandesdine purposes.

Code:

http://www.copying-xbox-games.com/tutorials.php?tutorialid=00000030
A tutorial about Xbox, Dashboard, etc.

Sir, your not asking for a copy of anything.. hehe.. you already done your HW!

I'd love to play around with an XBox like that.. I'd probably make it a small movie center or something of that nature.. maybe a linux box running... /read me ramble.. hehehe..

Hey.. its a cheap computer.. eh! :)

Zone-MR 24th Mar 05 11:32 AM

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I mean wow, black and white never produced a gray line to me! I know once you own it its yours I agree perfectly as long as it DOESN'T interfer with someone or another companies right or in this case copyrights and intelectual property. I dont even see a practical use for a modchip other than to not have the DVD kit which I think sucks to buy just to watch movies. I cannot find a logical use for a modchip.
Poolman and Cyberion have already given some very valid uses. The XBox is deliberatly crippled. It contais code which serves no other purpose than stopping the XBox from running any code which Microsoft doesn't want you to run. In other words, the XBox is designed to make and enforce moral decisions on your behalf.

Unfortunatly this code is rather crude. It stops *ALL* 3rd party code and discs from working - it has no way of determining if they actually violate any copyrights. For example:
  • If you are a programmer, you can't write any code for the XBox, without paying Microsoft for an XDK and signing a restrictive licensing agreement.
  • Ever heard of the Fair Use doctrine in copyright law? It is your legally-given RIGHT to make a backup copy for personal use, of copyrighted content. What use is this right if the XBox assumes ill-intentions and refuses to play legal backups?
  • How about convenience? I've bought CDs. I've bought DVDs. The first thing I did with them, is ripped them to my hard drive. I did it simply because I find it a hell of a lot more convenient to click an album in WinAmp than to physically swap discs. I didn't infringe any copyright laws (although you'd argue that ripping a DVD entails bypassing protection hence should be illegal).
All of the above are examples of perfectly legal actions which are stopped because some bit of code in the XBox tries to prevent illegal copying, even if it means taking away rights which have been granted to you as a result of many legal precedents.

If the MPAA/RIAA cartels get their way, some day PCs might feature similar restrictions at a hardware level. In the future, you might not be able to buy a DVD/CD and copy it to your hard drive for future access. You might not be able to make a copy of a CD to play in your car. You might not be able to rip a CD and download it onto your MP3 player. If this happens, would you consider it wrong to buy a modchip for your PC which eliminates these restrictions? If not, why are XBox modchips any different?

PCTech 24th Mar 05 12:58 PM

I have a kid as well, but thats why i keep my xbox stuff out of there reach! I agree you can make a back up of copyrighted content, however it is still illegal in microsoft eyes as a normal dvd drive without some "work" will not read an xbox dvd. it can do it just not while attached to a computer! :) This should be an issue that needs to be fixed with xbox2, and if not then I guess 1 practical use for a modchip is to backup games. I mean how hard is it to but a lock on a cabinet? But thats just my opinion

~PCT

KingCobra 24th Mar 05 09:40 PM

I think what Poolman was talking about with his kids is he don't want them changing games/DVD's for fear that they might damage the Xbox DVD tray or trash the DVD/Game. With the games on the HD and the use of the MOD chip they can change games without Poolman having to. Plus he keeps the store DVD as a backup.

I myself am thinking about getting what I need to do the same thing. Currently I don't let my 7 year old change games because I fear he will trash the Xbox DVD tray or the $Games$

Changing games/DVD's all the time gets to be a real pain. :mad:

Cyberion 24th Mar 05 11:04 PM

I totally agree PCTechie. Our ideals only divert paths with regard to the actual locking. Its like an open bar at home, if the children know that the parents find it acceptable for them to use the gaming systems and test its limits, they are less to attempt to work around the restriction.

Yes.. I don't have children yet. So that might shift my view slightly, pardon my bias please. :)

One of the things that scare me about chipping it, I don't want to void any warrenties, and opening the box and "chipping" it does just that. So before I go to my local shop and purchase, that is running through my mind.

Zone-MR 25th Mar 05 11:49 AM

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I agree you can make a back up of copyrighted content, however it is still illegal in microsoft eyes.
Heh, that I believe :) It's also legal to use Linux, but I'm sure "in Microsoft's eyes" it should be illegal.

The good news is that Microsoft doesn't write the laws.
The bad news is, senators who are heavilly bribed by Microsoft write the laws.

Cyberion 25th Mar 05 06:22 PM

Zonie.. you don't know that bribery actually takes place; though a very popular theme.

I think what is known is that there is so much money tide up with Microsoft, Adobe, etc that if people started using open projects, and thus those people being laid off, that its its self would be a massive colapse in the market.

If Microsoft collapsed everyone tickets they studied so hard for etc would become invalid, well the business behind it would not be able to support the attendees.

With regard to the XBox -> its taking a technology and rebuilding it for multiple uses, I've been caught saying that I'd buy an xbox and hook it up to my TV with a XPC computer. This would effectively cut my cost down dramatically, imagine if everyone did that, there wouldn't be an incentive to build gear that is used in IMAX theatres for ie. I'm not saying that Linux is a OS for pirates, far from that. As for what would happen if Linux actually took hold and people started buying small computers to run their audio/video setup.. I don't know.

Right now, there is a economy for technology, people purchase hardware, software, and consoles, this could change, I just have NO clue.

KingCobra 25th Mar 05 11:23 PM

If M$ was really smart I think they would offer a larger HD to be added to the XBox and games available for download through XBox Live. They could be making so much more than they currently are. In the long run copy protection only hurts the pocketbook of the manufacture and the quality of product for the legal customers.

What do I mean?

How about the errors on the disks used in the 1541 floppy drive for the games on the Commodore64. The errors were put on the legal copies as copy protection but everytime you loaded up the games and heard that sound of the heads caused by the errors you thought it would blow up. After time, it did cause read problems with the drive. All of this because of the companies trying to keep people from making copys/backups. It continues today... sound, video and compatability problems today are caused by the same thing. Copy protection! Lets not forget our wasted time with product activation which has driven some people who didn't pirate software to do so for that very reason. After all with viruses and spyware today, more than ever we reformat our systems much more often and refuse to wait around for every product we own to be activated during a reinstall. :confused:

Zone-MR 26th Mar 05 02:36 AM

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Zonie.. you don't know that bribery actually takes place; though a very popular theme.
I'm too lazy to find links at the moment, but if you want I'll look the info up for you. It's all done legally, and the relevant information is publicly available. Microsoft transfers large funds to organisations like the BSA, which in turn sponor the election campaigns of various senators. In the eyes of the law, it's not a bribe. In reality, Senators have a weird tendancy to push laws which favour the corporations who sponsor them.

Cyberion 27th Mar 05 12:54 AM

Ok.. I'm not disagreeing with you.. I'm was just nudging for a article link. :) ihug


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