I´m about to set up a ftp-server for the first time, behind a firewall/router.
I appreciate your help and advice in this matter. I´ve DL both Bulletproff and Serv-U but what is to prefer, maybe something else?
My ISP handle me a dynamic ip so I have signed up with dns2go.com.

TIA
IB



Last edited by IB at Jul 17 2002, 12:02 PM

I prefer Serv-u - I find it's easier to make changes and add things as you need them. You can also have multiple domains depending on the individul axx you want to give.

with bullet proof you need to make a text file for any virtual drives and such, you also can't have multiple domains. as with Serv-U you do it all right in the prog.

thanks Leech,
I´ve heard that there is a problem with Serv-U and dynamic IP´s, running Serv-U in PASV-mode, You had to run it in PORT-mode to get it up and running....can anyone confirm this...? :(

Cheers
IB

I have used GuildFTPd for some time, now I have started to experiment with Blackmoon. Guild is nice, easy to setup and free. Blackmoon seems at first sight to be nice, easy to setup and can be downloaded as a 30-day-trial.
Btw, this question is an oldie, asked several times at different boards and always with different answers. Bulletproof and Serve-U seeems to be the most popular ones. I have never tried Serve-U really, Bulletproof (G6) has screwed things up for me. RaidenFTPd was wonderful, but a pain to setup.
Get inspiration at h**p://serverwatch.internet.com/ftpservers.html

May I also dare to recommend Jessica's thread I'm Thinkin' Bout Startin an FTP at http://www.betaone.net/forums/index.php?ac...528033c2fbeb60b which might be to some use... ^_^

thanks .unicorn....I´m working on it and I´ve read your 3 "steps" and also that thread started by Jessica.
I can login from my local LAN to Serv-U(v 4.0.0.4) and everything seems nice, I can upload and download...but the problem is when I try to access from the outside?!
I have a Netgear RT314 router/firewall, so the problem is, I guess, to config - forward the ports to my servbox. And the reference manual for this router could be better:( but sooner or later I will find the solution.

Cheers
IB
:D :D :D

I have a router and dynamic ISP. I generally use Serve-U 4. For awhile I was using dns2go so that I didn't have to see what my ip is (so I let the other party know) The main thing is forwarding the ports. If you use port 21 it should be just a simple click in a box on your router setup screen. If you want to use a different port then you need to open up a series of others so there will be enough sockets open. Dns2go is free, btw and it works well. Essentially it translates your dns2go address to whatever ip you've got showing from your isp.


Btw, I've also experienced the problem of not being able to understand how to set up the router. Particularly difficult for me was an SMC that I got rid of in favor of a BEFW11S4 v.2 Linksys. (4 ports/wireless). Linksys published a much better manual with this model and made some great enhancements to the setup menu.



Last edited by rikytik at Jul 19 2002, 09:07 AM

Yep, ServU rulez :)

I used ServU for a while now and there are only two bad things I can say about it. First thing is that it seems to handle reverse lookups incorrect (that is, when restricting access on hostname instead of IP address it fails to lookup the IP address of the given hostname) witch makes restricting access a bit more difficult. Nobody seems to have the answer to this.

The other thing is a rumour that I couldn't confirm myself. The rumour says that ServU isn't handling bandwitdh good, and wastes bandwidth compared to other FTP server programs. I've compared ServU myself (to Bullet and MSFTP) with one large files and with many small files and in all case the I didn't detect any difference (except for MSFTP).

Cheers!

@IB:
One little thing - the first time I tried to setup one of those small nice boxes I couldn't make it work. Then I :wacko: found out that you had to reboot (a matter of 2 seconds) the box for some changes to have effect. Now I guess you allready found this out, just a thought here.

thanks for your support...but for the moment I got stuck.
I can connect from my local LAN and transfer files...but when my friends try to connect from the outside they CAN connect and LOGIN...BUT when the command "list" is given...there is a timeout...they never see the directories in the "ftp-root-directory".
I have read, somewhere, that the solution is to setup the local LAN with static IP instead of DHCP-mode... and I have done this too...but without sucess.....

This is my config:
OS: Win.Net 3621 standard server
Router: Netgear 314 (firmware 3,25)
Dynamic IP(from my ISP-provider): Yes
FTP-server: Serv-U ver 4.0.0.4

What am I doing wrong? I must have missed something...maybe in the setup....

I appreciate your support :P

TIA
IB
:) :) :)

Hey IB, If they can connect from the outside they obviously get some contact with your server. So, wait a moment before you reconfig your LAN.

If I get everything right this far you have configured your router to forward all queries from the outside to your server, or rather all queries at port xxxx to your server. Then the client and your server shake hand, get pretty well along - as far as they use port xxxx (the so called control connection). Then when it comes to file listing the data transfer channel is used instead: port yyyy. Most ppl are using some sort of firewall today and those won't accept unexpected traffic. Thus they have to use PASV mode (where the client tells the server to go for port yyyy and send data there). This in turn forces you to config the server to allow PASV mode and maybe also allow a port range. Check this, give it a port range not less than say 1000-5000 or something. Then check that your router allows theese ports, or config it consider your server as a demilitarized zone (DMZ-mode). Ask your friends to connect again and tell them to make sure they config their clients to use PASV mode and then maybe also tick any choice available for "Site uses NAT/IP Masq/Non-routable IP" (or something alike it).

Then please get back here and tell us about it.

.unicorn..thanks for your replay :)

This I have done:
I have set up Serv-U to "listen" to port 27315 and set the pasv range to 27306 - 27314. In my router, I have "forwarded" port range 27306 - 27315 to the destination of the local IP where Serv-U resides. My friends use FlashFXP to connect but....you know the answer..:(:(:(

There is something strange with the "list-command", I guess I´m not the first struggling with this problem...right!

Take Care
IB

No, you are not the first one.
You can't have a pasv port range that small. Or maybe you can, I just have never heard of anyone aiming for such a small range. Right now I'm not able to say if there is anything prohibiting it. Maybe your friends client doesn't know your server allowing theese few ports only?
Is your friend behind a router too? That often causes mighty problems and I haven't always been able to connect during such circumstances.
You have to dig deeper into this. You might get some help from steelbytes who used to make small tools for situations like this. He is a nice guy to be find at h**p://www.steelbytes.com/

well,

thanks Leech,
I´ve heard that there is a problem with Serv-U and dynamic IP´s, running Serv-U in PASV-mode, You had to run it in PORT-mode to get it up and running....can anyone confirm this...? :(

Cheers
IB[/b][/quote]
Running a Dynamix IP on Serv-U Depends on what you mean. Is it for people who have Dynamic Ip to connecxt to it or you to get connected with a dynamic IP ?

We will start with the with You having a dynamic Ip to get it connected. What you do is use dns2go and it worked great.

With people who have a dynamic Ip to get connected is quite simple. What you need to do is find out what numbers change in their IP address and set it up like so:

Say a person has an IP address of 12.34.567.890 and the last group changes? What you would do is enter the ip axx like 12.34.567.* - The asterick is a search funtion and it will search for any number in the range. or if a peson's last 2 groups change it would be entered as 12.34.*.* when they will be able to connect as well.

As you can see it is quite easy. If you would like to try it and need help contact me and I will help as much as I can.

Depending on what ISP you use will determin whether you need to use passive or not. Serv-U automatically has the option set . So in some cases the individual who wants to connect has to use passive.



Last edited by Leech at Jul 20 2002, 06:15 PM

Finally....everything works like a charm. What I did...? Yes I did set up Serv-U to use(listen to) the standard PORT 21, forwarded ONLY port 21 in my router and did not setup a passive port range in Serv-U...that´s all.

I guess there is a limitation in the router software/combined with Serv-U/ that not can handle other ports than 21 for ftp, maybe there is a possibility to define "complex" filter rules that can handle other port-range but this might be a new project for next month :D

Many ISP´s don´t like "private ftp-servers" running in there network so they might supervise this commom port for ftp-ing.

I might mail netgear´s support about this matter B)

Cheers
IB

Id Go For G6FTP Server Any Day, it has served me well for over 3 years.

ftp://free:***@benthegeezer.homeip.net/

1:1 Ratio





EDIT :
2 times shame on you !

1 : posing a link to your server her, is a no-no.
2 : Ratio :angry: :angry: :angry:

h**p://linksysftp.dyndns.org/

Dude That is great info - Thanx for it.

Serv u is the best ftp server just ask my brother

Pig Dog i'm with you Bulletproof beats the rest hands down. Dont worry about fancy options stability is what you need.

it's all a question of choosing what uites u better ;)

4 start...
bulletproof is more stable then Serv-U
on d other hand, Serv-U is more easy to setup 4 a 1st time user (even tho BP is NOT hard 2 config ;) )

n the main things that i like to have in a basic ftp server:

_app server_ | _ssl support_ | _statistics_
-------------------------------------------------
_BulletProof_ | _____no____ | __yes__
-------------------------------------------------
__Serv-U___ | _____yes____ | __no___

hope it helps some out :)
cheers :D



Last edited by nnuxx at Oct 14 2002, 05:11 AM

man...am i the only one that uses straight IIS in windows 2k server? as long as all my permissions are right and my directories are good, i never run into a problem. or are you guys just talking about running an ftp off your own personal machine?

yup serv u running with no ip is the business

Please "proove" to me why bp is more stable than Serv-U :blink:

What type of statistic's are you missing out in Serv-U ?
"the most wanted file" and stuff ?



@analog chainsaw

Explain what you mean by this
Are you running *your* IIS-FTP from an un-personal machine ?

How many user accounts do you have on your FTP, and how do you manage them ?

I like the classic G6 (now called BulletProof server), it simple dont eat a lot of memory (ServU 2.5 its good like G6). But now I like ServU with SSL :D. If there is another FTP server that support SSL please let me know (the thing that I dont like of new ServU is the way that load. There are many "deamons" running and I dont like that, specially the remote administration that you could disable but still eating memory)

Please "proove" to me why bp is more stable than Serv-U :blink:



What type of statistic's are you missing out in Serv-U ?
"the most wanted file" and stuff ?



How many user accounts do you have on your FTP, and how do you manage them ?[/b][/quote]
mmm.. :rolleyes:

just my own xperience when comparing servU4.0 and BP 2.15 , maybe i was unlucky with my ServU install?? (long, long ago, tho :) )

i know u have a good set of statistics, Bearcat (with ServU2.5, i think??? :unsure: :) (i dont know how u managed to get them working, tho lol :D )

but i meant for a 1st time user...
BP allready as a file statistics builtin (a poor one, i agree, based on a file hit instead of a user stats :angry: , but ServU doesnt have any built in... i guess u can add it on as u did, but i also dont have a clue how :huh:

when it cames to users accounts number... er... YR THE MAN, hehe :D:D:D ;)

just my 2$

cheers :)

Bulletproof (actually g6 included) been using it for along time and its been faithful. My first server was on g6. The only tricky part was doing the link file to the ftp folder but once I learned that it was a snap.