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I don't often make political statements, but I have to admit that for once I must :(
I was totally disgusted to hear about the beheading of the US civilian working in Iraq. In fact, a friend of mine who works in a school in Birmingham UK just telephoned me.... He works in a school, which is mainly made up of high school muslim kids. He told me that he had had a really bad day, many of the youngsters were celebrating the fact that this poor guy from the US had been beheaded :angry: :angry: He teaches Information Technology and he saw kids downloading to their work areas the evil act!! When 10 eleven happened, some of these kids the day after, had even drawn pictures of aeroplanes hitting the New York towers on their school desks!!! I thought that I should post you guys the link to the beheading, and I only pose one question: ' How can any man... justify a murder of an innocent person, in the name of any God.... ??? Alah akbar (God is great).... as you murder ???? Please don't delete this thread... I think that it is important for the truth to be allowed to be stated and yes, even seen ... PS: I am NOT against Islam... but I am against evil.... and believe me... what has happened and continues to happen in the name of so called religion really disgusts me :ph34r: :ph34r: italiano :( The links: http://www.ogrish.com/index2.htm The beheading: http://video.ogrish.com/ogrish-dot-c...ed-in-iraq.wmv Edit (Zone-MR): This video is certainly not for the faint of heart. To Quote the original page "Just like all the other uncensored videos and images previously posted, we feel that its important to show what the human race is capable of in all it's uncensored form. We don't MAKE you watch the footage, we just give you the choice. This is the world we're living in right now, sad but true....Can you handle life?". |
I saw this video yesterday. To quote Dan:
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Slightly OT: There was a radio interview here (in the UK) recently in which various Muslims living in the UK voiced their opinions. All of them except for one claimed they supported Al-Quedas acts of terrorism. The one which was against terrorism gave the reason "I don't support terrorism because innocent muslims might be accidentally killed in the attacks". I fail to comprehend why people who hate the UK so much choose to live here. |
Enough said....
the way you put it says it all !! |
I was shoked after I saw that video... I decided to watch it without sound.. and it still brought tears to my eyes... how are we capable of doing something like this?
I want to share with you, the lyrics of a song, that says it all, it's by my fave band... the song is called "In the Name of God"... How can this be? Why is he the chosen one? Saint gone astray With a scepter and a gun Learn to believe In the mighty and the strong Come bleed the beast Follow me it won't be long Listen when the prophet Speaks to you Killing in the name of God Passion Twisting faith into violence In the name of God Straight is the path Leading to your salvation Slaying the weak Ethnic elimination Any day we'll all be Swept away You'll be saved As long as you obey Lies Tools of the devil inside Written in Holy disguise Meant to deceive and divide Us all Listen when the prophet Speaks to you Killing in the name of God Passion Twisting faith into violence In the name of God Blurring the lines Between virtue and sin They can't tell Where God ends And mankind begins They know no other Life but this From the cradle They are claimed Listen when the prophet Speaks to you Killing in the name of God Passion Twisting faith into violence In the name of God Hundreds of believers Lured into a doomsday cult All would perish In the name of God Self-proclaimed messiah Led his servants To their death Eighty murdered In the name of God Forty sons and daughters Un-consenting plural wives Perversions In the name of God Underground religion Turning toward The mainstream light Blind devotion In the name of God Justifying violence Citing from the Holy Book Teaching hatred In the name of God Listen when the prophet Speaks to you Killing in the name of God Passion Twisting faith into violence In the name of God Religious beliefs Fanatic obsession Does following faith Lead us to violence? Unyielding crusade Divine revelation Does following faith Lead us to violence? |
Damn i just seen the video i can not believe what they did with the poor guy don`t know what to say write now ;(
These guys who did these must be found and be killed :2guns: Hope that the family not have seen this movie. :( No further comment write now. :( ysco. |
I guess the server KNOWS that I shouldn't watch in fear I might do something not in my nature.. The server timed out...
I watched the first eighth of it.. I can't go on... Seeing him.. I'll stop.. I guess my only question is that of hate.. its so easy to hate.. But can you truly love when it comes to this? |
ital - Feel free to move to political discussion and merge with other thread, only if you wish.
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Could you move this to the politcal thread and merge m8 ?? much appreciated italiano |
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I thought about it and I can't bring myself to watching it. I'm afraid of how it would affect me.
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ummmm this is war...this is why some of us have been opposed to war the whole time. we've been doing this poopie to the people of iraq, i'm sure you all have been reading the newspaper, maybe its on tv too i dunno haven't watched tv in years, but it shows everyday the people that we torture. Not that it in ANY way justifies the kind of violence inflicted on Nick Berg, but iI'm just saying this is war and personaly i think we should be more conserned with stopping the war then trying to get revenge on the guys who beheaded Berg, thats not going to accomplish anything, and its definatly not going to stop the violence.
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Vinnie - your are NOT less of a human for not wishing to view the film. I only viewed the film till the point where the threw the gent to the ground, and I stopped watching.
RadBoy - I think that we as human tend to attempt to always get one up on our neighbor. Stopping nahhh.. we pick fights, rape and pillage resources and even murder to get the one up.. In a sick way its like video games. You see the flashing "dot" coming at you and your use your BFG(some#) to blow your opponent away. Point = Education, though slanted to where you are educated, is still education. |
RadiationBoy, what is happening now in Iraq is nothing compared to what Iraqi people used to suffer under Saddam's regime. The actions of one or two rouge US soldiers are the actions of a very small minority of US soldiers, and are universally condemned by Americans.
Whether or not you agree with the war is another matter, but I think it can honestly be said that the majority of coallition troops respect the Geneva convention, and do not engage in acts of torture or abuse. The same, unfortunatly, cannot be said for the majority of the Iraqi people. Not only do they brutally murder CIVILLIANS, but the majority of Iraqis, and even Muslims living in the western world, seem to consider it something to cellebrate! If US soldiers slaughtered a single civillian as a deliberate act of retalliation, there would be a major outcry from the public, and certainly no support. I think this clearly outlines the difference in the two cultures. War is one thing. A society which has no moral problems with murdering civillians in the name of their god, has some serious issues. |
I'm not going to add much more than what's already been said. But this is a true act of barbarianism, not an act in the name of God.
If there is a God, and personally I'm an agnostic, I hope these men and all like them meet their just "reward". And italiano, don't worry about the post being deleted. The message it conveys is far too important to censor. |
I watched the complete video and it makes me sad. :(
I have seen many people in my life that have done me wrong only to see them later get their due without any actions on my part. I know that GOD will also do the same here. My prayers go to the family that I know have seen or heard how long this murder/death took. |
Well, last time I checked, the vast majortiy of wars were over things like religion, differences in beliefs, and the like...
Just one quick comment from me: Where was the international outrage when the prisoner of war atrocities committed by the NorthVietnam "prison guards" against United States prisoners was brought to light? Funny, that never seemed to bother the world, and the torture THEY were subjected to was far worse than we inflicted on our Iraqui "prisoners".. War is hell, and things like this have occurred in every war in the last 1000 years.. Funny, or SICK that once the USA is shown to do ANYTHING that OTHER countries have done to OUR prisoners of war for eons is made public, the world screams foul.. The whole affair is sickening, and now, courtesy of our wonderful "information age", 10-15 year old kids get to see a beheading on the Internet.. There isn't much hope for the future of mankind, is there..... |
@Radiationbuoy.
While not directed at you personally, Rush Limbaugh had a caller today who appears to hold some of the same beliefs as you and I quote "this is why some of us have been opposed to war the whole time. we've been doing this poopie to the people of iraq". Here is a transcript. "CALLER: Rush, it's all atrocities, okay? I mean, the end result is still the same, Rush. We don't see video of that. We don't see video of people with their body parts laying apart but it's happening, Rush. RUSH: Cliff, let me try -- CALLER: You know that, Rush -- RUSH: No, don't put words in my mouth because I'm not going to accept your premise and this is one of the problems that I have. You sound like an otherwise reasonable guy. You sound like you've got a modicum of intelligence out there, yet you wish, you search, you actively seek out a way to make equivalent our actions with these terrorists in the Nick Berg video. I don't understand that. What is the compulsion so many Americans have to want to draw these lines of equivalence between us and this human debris? Let me address your specific example. We're in a war. We have insurgents like this al-Sadr fellow and his terrorist cohorts and they've taken over a town and they've taken prisoner of the kids you're talking about, and they're hiding behind them. They are cowards. We are not there to murder. We are not there to maim and kill children. We are not there to burn down their homes or their schools and weren't. We are rebuilding their schools. We are rebuilding their hospitals. Their schools are open, their hospitals are functioning, the electricity is back with more wattage and power and functionality than it ever had under Saddam. The U.S. military does not target civilians, the U.S. military does not target children, the U.S. military does not seek them out for wanton murder and call it war. So when I see those images, yeah, and I haven't, but I know they exist. I don't sit around and beat my chest over it and say, "Ho-ho, look what the mighty United States of America did." I blame the people who are responsible for it, and that is the cowards who are using those children as shields and using their women as shields and it frustrates me to no end that you don't also see this. You know who these people are. It is not a mystery. They are not good, there's nothing good about them. They are perverted, they are demented, they are pure trash human debris. They have declared war on us. They treat their own kids far worse than anything that might happen to them as a result of the United States riding to their rescue. These are the people that strapped bombs on their own kids and send them out to be blown up, and they lie to them, and they say, "Do this and you'll get to heaven. You'll meet Allah," or whatever it is they tell them. They are willing to kill their own kids to save their own lives. They are nothing. They have no value. They are not be respected. They are not to be protected. They are not to be understood. They are to be eliminated. They do not bring anything decent to their own country, to their own people, to their own families, to their own population. They bring destruction. They bring death. They bring misery. They bring poverty. We, the United States of America, and the people of this country, banded together via our elected officials and our money are attempting to save these people from their own so-called leaders. In the process, unfortunate things happen, but it is not our aim. It is not our purpose. It is not our desire. We do not put these kids on television and do to them what was done to Nick Berg, and then ask CBS to broadcast it to the Arab world. And the idea that you can call here and try to establish some degree of similarity offends the living hell out of me, Cliff. Go ahead and vote for John Kerry. Go ahead and vote for your favorite Democrats, and go ahead and open the borders to the people that murdered Nick Berg and let 'em come on in because we're not going to have the guts to stand up to them because we're too busy feeling guilty that we're just like them. And you, Cliff, are going to be among the first to go. Because you're going to think they're going to understand you. And they're going to look at you as an absolute dupe and an idiot, useful or otherwise, and you're gone. You need to be thanking God there are people who have the vision and the courage to see this for what it is and are willing to put their lives on the line to protect ignorant people and people who are otherwise doing other things and don't care what's going on, to protect them so they can go ahead and live their lives as blissfully as they choose. We do not need to be stringing people up who are trying to bring decency and freedom to other peoples in the world and make examples of them and say they're no different than al-Sadr, al-Qaeda, Zarqawi, whoever it is was in these pictures that murdered Nick Berg. I'll never understand the way you think, Cliff. But what I've realized is there's no talking you out of it. I don't even know if there's any shaming you. How you can even call here after having known what's on that video and dare say that there is some similarity to what we, the people of the United States believe and do, to what was done to Nick Berg in that video, makes me as repulsed and angry and fearful as I was when I watched the video." The bottom line here is, Islamic extremists murdered 3'000 people in less than 3 hours on 9-11 and they want to kill even MORE! And given the chance they will kill YOU without a second thought! This has nothing to do with whether you sympathize with them or not. If you are a non believer, you are marked for death! And they will chant "God Is Great" as they hack you to pieces! Don't believe me? Watch the Nick Berg video! Nick was a CIVILIAN who went to Iraq to help rebuild the telecommunications infrastructure. He was also Jewish. They didn't make him wear panties on his head, they didn't scare him with dogs on leashes, they didn't make him masturbate. They bound his hands and legs, kicked him over on his side, and spent over 1 minute sawing his head off with a dull butchers knife! All the while smilling and chanting "God Is Great" More to the point, NOBODY in America jumped up and down with joy when we saw the prison pictures. We felt shame. And these people were enemy combatants who had information that may have saved both American AND Iraqi lives. Or have you forgoten that these extreamists have also blown up peaceful Muslims gathering for holy day celebrations in an attempt to start a civil war between thier own people!? 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I agree with most of what's been said here. I have some thoughts though.
First I am against censorship, but I'm not so sure I think any links to that video should be posted, at LEAST without some warning. I saw it awhile ago, but as someone who has almost seen it all and studies psychology it didn't affect me.. THAT much. Now, as someone who hobbies in psychology I wonder why Berg didn't seem to put up much of a fight? I'm not saying in ANYway that it was staged, I just wonder about the full circumstances with the situation. Like did he know what was going to happen, and was somehow okay with it? Quote:
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"The bottom line here is, Islamic extremists murdered 3'000 people in less than 3 hours on 9-11 and they want to kill even MORE! And given the chance they will kill YOU without a second thought! This has nothing to do with whether you sympathize with them or not. If you are a non believer, you are marked for death! And they will chant "God Is Great" as they hack you to pieces! Don't believe me? Watch the Nick Berg video! Nick was a CIVILIAN who went to Iraq to help rebuild the telecommunications infrastructure. He was also Jewish. They didn't make him wear panties on his head, they didn't scare him with dogs on leashes, they didn't make him masturbate. They bound his hands and legs, kicked him over on his side, and spent over 1 minute sawing his head off with a dull butchers knife! All the while smilling and chanting "God Is Great" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Across the road from where I live is a family, from a Pakistani muslim background. I used to go to school with the two sons. Before The Tower murders these lads used to attend 'Islamic Youth summer camps' near to forests in Wales... in fact, the lads used to say that they went training and undertook self defence classes !!! ..... read what you will into this, but I think it's obvious!! They follow a radical Islamic group here in the UK who's aim is to make the UK into an Islamic country by whatever means. We have a so called freedom of speech here in the UK and therefore these lads go around the UK preaching their ideology on the streets... they set up benches and stalls outside mosques in areas where there are lots of muslim youth, universities etc. Just ponder over this: These young men, who I used to go to school with and who's father who is classed as a pillor of the local muslim community: After the two towers tragedy, one of the lads came up to me in the street and told me: 'We think that our brothers were right to carry out this act.. they did it to protect our brothers and sisters in Islam... we suppport it and other acts like it...' My reply to him was ''do you have such a thing as compassion and humanity in your souls because you state that your God is " compassionate and all merciful '' ?? I have not spoken to those lads since.... How can you talk to beings who cannot reason at a basic level ??? At the beginning of every muslim prayer and deed the follow phrase is uttered by the true believer: " In the name of God, the compassionate and the merciful" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have an image of those so called men chanting this as the planes crash into the towers and that poor guy had his head cut off like a chicken ready to be put into a cooking pot !!! It just don't add up :blink: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The boys father attends prayers 5 times a day and gives money to the poor etc, etc, etc.... He is pious.... and is a leader of the local muslim community here ! and his sons (who are in their late teens early 20's go around preaching their filth and hatred !!! They and others like them are are the future new terrorists in the making who will replace those who claim to be the true believer" I can't really say more :( i am just sickned by it all :blink: :angry: |
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I agree with what you say m8 But we here in the UK are like you in the States are well off, plenty of welfare hand outs etc, and lots of so called prosperity, but at the same time, we have the up and coming future leaders of our society, agreeing and rejoicing at these acts done in the name of their own religion.... So what excuse do these young adults have to say what they say ?? Heck.... one of the lads Owns a BMW and a Mercedes... So they ain't done badly living here.... and they want us all butched, because we are non believers!! (OK Maybe over the top) ?? But Islamic radicals really believe this and Islamic radicalism is on the Increase here in the Uk and the USA.. It's all of this that really troubles and saddens me!!! |
"Now, as someone who hobbies in psychology I wonder why Berg didn't seem to put up much of a fight? I'm not saying in ANYway that it was staged, I just wonder about the full circumstances with the situation. Like did he know what was going to happen, and was somehow okay with it? "
Oh yes! I'm SURE he was a willing participant in his own murder! Wouldn't YOU be? Have you given ANY thought to the fact he may have thought he was partaking in a propaganda film? Did you hear him SCREAM as they started sawing his head off? Did you notice his hands and feet were bound? Maybe you need a new hobby? "Actually, from what I have heard, US soldiers have commited rapes and murders of Iraqi prisoners, so we shouldn't be throwing stones in glass houses. " Once again another Liberal misses the point. He seems to think that if we just send love and peace from the astral plane the Islamic Acid Space people will leave us alone. Wave your freak flag high bro! These people want to KILL YOU because you are non a believer! The American people have expressed thier disgust at the things that have gone on in the 'prison scandal' Where are the Iraqi Islamic leaders who express disgust at the Nick Berg execution? Huh? And you really think we are the same as them? Well put this in your John Kerry hat and smoke it! Even FREAKIN Hizbollah the palestinian terrorist group who blow up women and children have distanced themselves from the Berg incident... Lebanon's Hizbollah guerrilla group condemned Wednesday the beheading of an American hostage by Iraqi militants as an ugly crime that flouted the tenets of Islam. "Hizbollah condemns this horrible act that has done very great harm to Islam and Muslims by this group that claims affiliation to the religion of mercy, compassion and humane principles," the Shi'ite Muslim group said in a statement. SORCE: http://au.news.yahoo.com/040512/15/p/oyu8.html Grow up! Tubeout! |
@ Tubebuoy: Excellent posts, and I fully agree with everything you've said.
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As you suggested I have appended a small warning below the link (although I think it's pretty redundant as people who download a beheading video are usually aware that it won't be pleasant). <!--QuoteBegin-"wase4711" The whole affair is sickening, and now, courtesy of our wonderful "information age", 10-15 year old kids get to see a beheading on the Internet..[/quote] I'm not sure if that's the way you implied it, but surely it's a good thing, isn't it? Our society should see what we, as a species, are capable of, rather than being sheilded with any truth which does not reinforce the stereotype that real war is as fun as a video game. How can we formulate any opinion if we are shielded from the details, and brought up with the illlusion that the world is a perfect place? Quote:
I say that at present, we are more civilised than ever. I say that not only do we have hope, we have a lot more hope than we have ever had. The fact that due to advancments in technology the entire population gets to see wars for what they are, with all the unpleasant details helps a lot. Those who cannot remember history are condemned to repeat it. |
It's nothing new. There were strong indications that the images were fake, a day after the Mirror originally released them. So much didn't add up. The vehicle in which the photos were taken wasn't even used in Iraq.
To be honest I don't find the 'news' surprising. Even if a few US troops DO abuse Iraqi people I doubt they would be stupid enough to allow their picture to be taken while they are doing it. It's not like they would expect support from US citizens. |
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You are talking as if war was something new. You are talking as though the murder of innocent civilians during a war is anything new. For as long as human-kind has existed war has been choronic. Until recently, the murder of civilians during wars was considered to be normal. What we have at the moment is nothing compared to the horrors millions of people were subjected in WWII alone. [/b][/quote] No, Zone, my only point is the more we, as a society, bring this to the public eye, the more de-sensitised we get to this terrrible stuff.. We do NOT need to be bombarded with this type of disgusting, visual reminder of how sickening war and the associated atrocities that occur are.. I don't believe that people need to see be-heading to know how sickening it is.. Do we need to see a young girl raped to know how vile it is? Do we need to see people getting their brains blown out to know how disgusting it is? BTW, have ANY of you ever killed ANYTHING or witnessed ANYONE getting killed IN PERSON? I know there are some Veterans here, so YOU KNOW what I am talking about.. I will never forget what I saw and did in Vietnam, but I don't really need to see any more war atrocities to remind me of how PHUCKED war and the related horror is... |
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I've seen people who didn't want a needle put in their arm put up more of a fight, breaking out of leather restraints; or people who didn't want a stomach levage. I never said anything about that video was fake. Sadly it is very real. I just wonder if he was briefed about what was going to happen to him. Then again it all happened so fast he really never had a chance to fight much did he? It was just a thought anyway so I commented. My understanding is that to do so is allowed. From the screams it doesn't seem that he passed out before death either, which is something I would have thought would happen (if nothing else after so much blood loss). We're all upset about this, and it's a touchy subject... but maybe it's best not to take it "out" on others based on their thoughts? |
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You are talking as if war was something new. You are talking as though the murder of innocent civilians during a war is anything new. For as long as human-kind has existed war has been choronic. Until recently, the murder of civilians during wars was considered to be normal. What we have at the moment is nothing compared to the horrors millions of people were subjected in WWII alone. I say that at present, we are more civilised than ever. I say that not only do we have hope, we have a lot more hope than we have ever had. The fact that due to advancments in technology the entire population gets to see wars for what they are, with all the unpleasant details helps a lot. Those who cannot remember history are condemned to repeat it. [/b][/quote] As far as the warning, every little bit helps. As far as it being a good thing for 10-15 year olds I'm not so sure. Yes it's important to have knowledge about things in life. To hear about it isn't enough? I'm a vegetarian because I gained knowledge.... I won't get into that. The reason I'm so concerned is viewing that can be traumatic. Most commonly the first natural thought is that it's fake. That fades fast. Some even might find a need to see more sick videos. Some might become numb to such things. Not me, it still haunts me. |
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I fully agree that we do not need to be 'bombarded' with unpleasant visual reminders. However I don't think we ARE being bombarded by them. I haven't seen any graphic images in the mainstream media. I don't think anyone has been made to see the video, without knowing fine well what it is. The fact that the "information age" permits people to see the video *out of their own free will*, without being "bombarded with it", is something we can not, and should not try to stop. Unless you want to get into the whole censorship debate with the usual arguments (ie, "Who is to judge what is too disgusting for us to see?", "how do we stop the circulation of information for the peoples own good?", etc). As for the video itself? We've all seen much worse images in '12' rated films. The only difference is that this is real. The emotional effect is caused by the subconscious knowledge that what you are seeing is not fiction. <!--QuoteBegin-Kelewyn I've seen people who didn't want a needle put in their arm put up more of a fight, breaking out of leather restraints; or people who didn't want a stomach levage.[/quote] He was outnumbered six to one. One of his captives held a weapon. He had probably already tried putting up a fight on numerous occassions, and the result was probably several sharp and painful blows. In that situation I think you have no choice but to accept that your attempt to fight is futile, and will only result in more suffering. |
I am pleased that at least we are all discussing these issues, and yes, they do rub a raw nerve, at least it proves that many of us do have feelings and humanity within our souls...
Clearly those who use themselves as human bombs and cut throats in the name of an invisible God are not capable of even the slightest discussion !! How can you reason with people who are willing to blow themselves to kingdom come.... just so they will be rewarded with: "God will reward us with 500 big eyed virgins, who will serve our every needs forever" !! How can you reason with that sort of mentality snd fanatasism? |
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The only reason I even ask is at the hospital I've had people where we've needed the whole Code team to restrain. I'm sure you're right though, again I was just being "vocal" with some thoughts I had. |
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It's easy to put words together but do you mind explain what the meaning is here? I understand it as the prisoners are held prisoners as they want to kill everybody everywhere not muslim and as they want to do all that killing it is okey to rape and humiliate them. Maybe I'm getting it wrong. As you are asking people to grow up you might help me out a little there? |
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What have I started ?? At least this place is alive a bit ... It has been rather quite lately |
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Read the following quotes which many muslim fundementalist swear by as being the word of God and which they must heed: It will probably explain the gist of what tubebuoy is on about: "...now that a Book confirming their own has come to them from God, they deny it...they reply: 'We believe in what was revealed to us.' But they deny what has since been revealed, although it is truth...Say: 'Whoever is an enemy of Gabriel' (who has by God's grace revealed to you [Muhammad] the Koran as a guide...confirming previous scriptures)..will surely find that God is the enemy of the unbelievers.'...And now that an apostle has come to them from God confirming their own Scriptures, some of those to whom the Scriptures were given cast off the Book of God behind their backs...The unbelievers among the People of the Book, and the pagans, resent that any blessings should have been sent down to you from your Lord. " (Surah 2:88-, 98-, 103-) "Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-) "Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216) "The only true faith in God's sight is Islam." (Surah 3:19) "Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people...They desire nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When they meet you they say: 'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage." (Surah 3:118, 119) "If you should die or be slain in the cause of God, His forgiveness and His mercy would surely be better than all the riches..." (Surah 3:156-) "Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-) "Try as you may, you cannot treat all your wives impartially." (Surah 4:126-) "The Jews and Christians say: 'We are the children of God and His loved ones.' Say: 'Why then does He punish you for your sins?" (Surah 5:18) "Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51) "Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-) "Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-) "If you fear treachery from any of your allies, you may fairly retaliate by breaking off your treaty with them." (Surah 8:51-) "...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-) "It ill becomes the idolaters [non-Muslims] to visit the mosques of God..." (Surah 9:17) "Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-) "It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith [Islam] to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters [non-Muslims] may dislike it." (Surah 9:31-) "If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-) "Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73) "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-) "Say: 'Praise be to God who has never begotten a son; who has no partner in His Kingdom..." (Surah 17:111) "Fight for the cause of God with the devotion due to Him...He has given you the name of Muslims..." (Surah 22:78-) "Blessed are the believers...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave-girls, for these are lawful to them)...These are the heirs of Paradise..." (Surah 23:1-5-) "Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29) "Shall the reward of goodness be anything but good?...Dark-eyed virgins sheltered in their tents...They shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets...Blessed be the name of your Lord..." (Surah 55:52-66-) Basically, what this all means is, if you are not a believer... then you ain't got a chance... forget it m8!! No wonder those terrorists chant "God is great" when they carry out their evil acts... God has told them to act on his advice against the non believer.... |
What do you guys think about this?
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http://www.infowars.com/print/iraq/berg.htm |
@ italiano: I'm agnostic. I find everything about confessing to any kind of religion mysterious and sick. Theese texts are indeed ugly to me too.
Then they are the reason for tubebuoy to tell us the Liberals miss the point? Maybe better he replies himself. This is confusing even without we start to speak for eachother. |
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"Actually, from what I have heard, US soldiers have commited rapes and murders of Iraqi prisoners, so we shouldn't be throwing stones in glass houses. " From tubebuoy: Once again another Liberal misses the point. He seems to think that if we just send love and peace from the astral plane the Islamic Acid Space people will leave us alone. Wave your freak flag high bro! These people want to KILL YOU because you are non a believer! From Unibuoy: Meaning what? It's easy to put words together but do you mind explain what the meaning is here? I understand it as the prisoners are held prisoners as they want to kill everybody everywhere not muslim and as they want to do all that killing it is okey to rape and humiliate them. Maybe I'm getting it wrong. As you are asking people to grow up you might help me out a little there? From tubebuoy: The jist of my reply was to point out how Liberals always try to drag America down by using a very twisted form of 'Moral Equivalency' which tries to convince the rest of us that because a few bad Americans did a bad thing we are just as bad as terroists. Just the other day that Icon of Liberalism, Teddy Kennedy ( the guy who drove off a bridge drunk off his a-s-s and ran for a lawyer while his 'date' lay drowning ) implied that the prison in question was no different than it was under Saddam, it just has "new management". Apparently this sick twisted bastard hasn't seen the trenches filled with dead Iragi men, women and CHILDREN! I have! People fed feet first into industrial shredders! Young women raped in front of their fathers! Up to ( and maybe over ) THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND bodies dumped in mass graves! This does NOT condone the few rapes and murders that may have been commited by a few American prison guards. If these reports are true ( and I believe they are ) these people will be prosecuted in front the ENTIRE WORLD! When do you think Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and the rest of the Arab nations will hunt down and prosecute Nick Bergs murderers? Now, about this, "Once again another Liberal misses the point. He seems to think that if we just send love and peace from the astral plane the Islamic Acid Space people will leave us alone. Wave your freak flag high bro! These people want to KILL YOU because you are non a believer! " You seem to be a bit confused as to what I admit are some rather obscure references to the '60s "Flower Power" movement. I won't break it down word for word but it is aimed at all of todays kids who seem to think that if we just learn to understand and treat the terrorists with love and understanding everything will be beautiful. What these children don't understand is that what they believe in is what the Islamic terrorists want to DESTROY most of all! Women's rights! Freedom of religion! Gay marriage! Drug usage! Abortion ( unless you gang rape your sister. In this case it's ok to behead her under Islamic law because now both her and the baby are 'unclean' ) In general, Western Civilization! And you DARE compare my morality to a terrorist and suggest I "shouldn't throw stones" ? Shame on you! |
Not ashamed. I'm not MinnesotaKid. I think you should check whom you aim at when throwing poopie.
Apart from that you made some things clear. Thank you. |
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"from tubebuoys post: QUOTE "Actually, from what I have heard, US soldiers have commited rapes and murders of Iraqi prisoners, so we shouldn't be throwing stones in glass houses. " Once again another Liberal misses the point. He seems to think that if we just send love and peace from the astral plane the Islamic Acid Space people will leave us alone. Wave your freak flag high bro! These people want to KILL YOU because you are non a believer! Meaning what? It's easy to put words together but do you mind explain what the meaning is here? I understand it as the prisoners are held prisoners as they want to kill everybody everywhere not muslim and as they want to do all that killing it is okey to rape and humiliate them. Maybe I'm getting it wrong. As you are asking people to grow up you might help me out a little there? " When threads get 3 or 4 pages deep and people start doing the copy/paste of other peeps qoutes things can get a bit convoluted. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I now direct my comments of "shame" towards the 'Kid'. Unless of course he was quoting someone else :D }---:) P.S. From Kelewyn: Re: "Grow Up" "No reason to be rude" You are correct sir. My bad! |
They will get what they deserve. God rest their souls.
Now for a Moment of silence!! |
With a topic this sensitive, there is going to be alot of strong emotions surfacing. So just to verify where B1 stands on this type of thread.
No one is going to be condemned on how they feel by the site administration. That isn't to say that any individual here including the crew won't post their opposing opinion. All we ask is that anything posted doesn't escalate into something where two or more members can't coexist here peacefully. At that point we would need to take appropriate action. :) |
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