NutCracker, good to hear. [img]smile.gif[/img]

poolman, Plan is that this "Nest" will spawn lots of little Crows. [img]smile.gif[/img] I noticed that you are an FTP Sysop also. Over half of the group are. Hope you are getting some good vibs out of this for your Site. For the moment thought I would mostly let it crunch over the weekend. Likely a busy time. If all goes well, sometime next week I will stop things for an hour or so and do some Cleanup. :eek: :rolleyes: If we get that far, I suppose thats a good sign.

Megaduce and "me" need to get ourselves back on the list. I will keep checking for a break in the activity. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Hi BOOMSHOT, got your request. At the moment I have 6 folks "activated", but have not heard much from one of them. He may be out of town etc. so I will give him some time yet. I added you to my Hold List, hope to work through it at some point, or find some alternative way.

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Thanx 4 d heads up Crowdirt [img]smile.gif[/img]

Will b look n out

Peace
BOOMSHOT :D

thanks for Bitannica 2002 Crowdirt I used flashfxp all the way to get this one and the speed is amazeingly great, Hey are your connection on steriods or what! dude He he he!!! :D :eek: :rolleyes:


Knowledge---------is%%%%%%Power

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Hi Megaduce, I noticed you were back on (mostly by yourself). I got a bit of a break and did the pending Maintenance late on Fri. The ADSL line we are using is a typical "Home" connection. It works better than many "Cable" connections out there. My other line is a Business ADSL connection and it is twice the speed. I used the slower line so what we see happening would be similar to others doing a Home Broadband FTP Server. WarezRocks on his 10MB/10MB line is quite a bit faster, as are some others, but those links are T3, or better stuff.

Connections.....Connections.....Connections

If you use IP#'s to control Access, as we have been on the Server, it will alter how you connect with the Site. Using a Userid/Password to control Access or Anonymous most always connects, the problem in that case is a lack of "Security". The IP# approach has worked as follows:

WorkStation----Net----FTP Server

No problems, IEx.x and any Downloader works.

WorkStation----Net----D_Link F/W (DMZ)----FTP Server

No problems with IEx.x and FlashFXP using NutCracker's setting.
Other Downloaders have problems.

WorkStation----Linksys F/W----Net----FTP Server

No problems with FlashFXP, IEx.x and other Downloaders don't connect.

WorkStation----Linksys F/W----Net----D-Link F/W (DMZ)----FTP Server

Envelope Please...And the Winner is....FlashFXP
[img]smile.gif[/img] :cool: [img]smile.gif[/img]

So far have not found any other way to do this one. If one is discovered, I will update accordingly.

The Firewall port settings/forwarding etc. are all the Default ones that occur if you do a "Master Reset" on the box. Keep in mind we are using "Port 2020" in this case.

This should answer all of "modD's" questions from before and for Others too.
At the moment everything else is [img]smile.gif[/img] :D [img]smile.gif[/img]

....so, when are you moving the FTP server over to the faster business connection so we can test that ?? :D :eek: :rolleyes:

Nutz

thanks crowdirt [img]smile.gif[/img] experiment results were crystal clear

so when ther are hardware firewalls on both ends, the server needs to be on DMZ, correct?

this thread is gonna be the bible for ftp owners especially newbies like me :D

I totally agree with you on that modD this definitely a learning experience for me.

Thanx for a great Learning experience Crow. :cool: :cool:

Knowledge-----is%%%%Power

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I think we could all addin and write a ftp bible and publish it on the forum for download called.

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
"Crowdirtz FTP Bible"
"For Newbies"
//////////////////////////////

Knowledge-----is%%%%%Power

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[ November 11, 2001: Last edited by Megaduce ]</p>

This thread should not be deleted because of expiration date or so. It is usefull for all of us.

BTW which server are you using?

Hi Folks, things seem to be ticking along smoothly. Thinking about what to do next.

Been looking at BearCat's Thread in "Download Links" and comparing it to this one. One of the differences is that I basically identified my group and have "Communicated" with them quite a bit. Goes a long way to solving problems and getting things working quickly. A Great BIG Thanks to BetaNet and their Forums for making that possible. [img]smile.gif[/img] :D [img]smile.gif[/img]

Some Questions and Answers:

Nutcracker asked about my faster line. Actually my other line is running an FTP Server as well, but it is rather different. Basically it is something called an FTP "TarPit". That's another whole Thread in itself, for another time. If you want to have a peak you can try:
ftp://209.53.13.77 (anonymous)

modD, I used the (DMZ) in the firewall for the Server mostly because messing with all the port settings was just too much hassle. The Firewall box is mainly to "Hold" the Dynamic IP# in case I have to shutdown the machine.

VotTak, all the Threads continue, they go back to when the Board started. The Server is Win2K Adv. Server. It has all the patches and SP2 applied now. It has some "Tweaks" which you might want to think about.

A Default Win2k Server install has "Everyone" set to Full Control. I change that to Read Only real quick on all the files. In WinXP M$ finally saw the "Light" and now install "Everyone" as Read Only.

Anoher thing I do is run Inetpub on Drive D and change that name to something else (ANYTHING ELSE). I usually change FTProot and WWWroot to something else also.

If you do that your Server will be "Immune" to Code Red and Nimbda attacks (even without the M$ patches). The Server we are using has been extensively tested by those "Worms" during the summer. ;) ;)

Hi Again, I have been poking around in the "Download Section" doing some reading. One Thread I found to be quite a contrast is "Still Serving....." by Robin Wilson. Also read Bearcat's Thread. If you have some time have a look. Any Comments or Opinions would be appreciated, where to go from where we are now etc.

Hey crow glad to see that everything is going smoothly dude also thanx for encarta dude.

Knowledge----is%%%Power

[quote]Originally posted by crowdirt:

<snip>

Nutcracker asked about my faster line. Actually my other line is running an FTP Server as well, but it is rather different. Basically it is something called an FTP "TarPit". That's another whole Thread in itself, for another time. If you want to have a peak you can try:
ftp://209.53.13.77 (anonymous)

<snip>

<hr></blockquote>


Crowdirt, is that anything to do with LaBrea ?? [img]smile.gif[/img]

Hi NutCracker, somthing along those lines, although I have not had time to check out LaBrea. Another related keyword is "Honeypot". I have been running the "Tarpit" for 5-6 months now. Its the usual type of Win2K Server but the FTP part has Everyone set to "Full Control". Can delete stuff whatever. All the numbers and strange files are from "Robots" that scan the web looking for "Fast FTP Space". Yet another keyword that shows up often is "Tagged...". Have another look at what is there in that light, and we can discuss further if you are interested.

So Crowdirt, if your not using LaBrea, what 'Tarpit' are you running then ??

I've had a read of LaBrea and it sounds very interesting....I'd like to know a bit more about your config if your not using LaBrea.

Nutz

Hi NutCracker, I should read LaBrea too. All I am doing is running a Win2K FTP site that is totally open. Have a look at what is there now. Someone is upping various stuff with file names that are not so easy to delete, things like COM, AUX etc. There is nothing automatic about this site so far. Everything that is done is "manual" by me watching what is going on. Once this stuff gets posted to the Web and the hits take off, it will likely "Vanish". If it was interesting stuff it may eventually show up on another server. In the mean time, I am tying up some "Uploader" for 12 hours or so.

Just wanted to say what a good job, that you've been doing with your server. The speeds have been on the average 48kbs. Is is that normal for DSL or do you pay extra for more bandwidth?

poolman :D

Hi poolman, the Server is on a Standard Home ADSL service. I do have another Business ADSL line, which I mentioned before, which goes twice as fast at twice the cost. I used the "Home" line so folks would have an idea what a "Broadband" connection can actually do. The Home line provides 5 Hrs/month of Free Dialup access if you are traveling. After that the ISP charges by the connect hour. There is no mention of traffic volume on the ADSL portion. That's another part of the test. See what the ISP thinks of 15-20 GB of traffic in a week. They keep advertising things like: Do all your video, audio, E-mail, phoning etc. on a Broadband Connection. So I am only taking them at their word....... :D

Hi Folks, since BetaNet did their system Upgrade, I have some Logon Problems. Not sure if others do too? :eek: The solution to my problem had to do with "cookies". I cleared out all the old ones. I have a fairly high reject setting for Cookies and the new BetaNet engine could not give me one. Had to set "accept all cookies" temporarily to get a new one in place. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Hi Folks, just an update on a week of Serving:

No Hits (hammering).....No Runs (virus).....No Errors (broken files).....No One left on base (server crashes).

Thinks have been ticking along ok. Some Uploads/Some Downloads, happiness is :cool: [img]smile.gif[/img]
Any Problems/Comments?

i had a problems logging in the forum the past 24h... only recently resolved [img]smile.gif[/img]

imho your server is very nice... good speed, stable, lotsa room, good stuffs offered, and one hella cool admin :D Thanks for that!

what we need is more file transfers! both ways! i admit that i didn't upload much, but i'm waiting to buy a new hd specially for serving purposes [img]smile.gif[/img] . right now my 30g hd is cramped with 'exotic creatures'-related files hehe.

and the ip-based subscription is cool too, prevents 'guests' from out of the forums to enter.

well, those are some opinions of a newbie...

[quote]Originally posted by crowdirt:
... Been looking at BearCat's Thread in "Download Links" and comparing it to this one. One of the differences is that I basically identified my group and have "Communicated" with them ...<hr></blockquote>

Hello [img]smile.gif[/img]
I don't know if I should be offended or not by this comment ;)

On my main server, that has been running for over a year now, I use [b:24269eb653]mostely[/b:24269eb653]personal account's.
All of my "private" user's uses ICQ / MSM together with PM's and a mailing list to
communicate with me, and the rest of the user's.
One group of memeber's are those who have access to the server section here,
and some of the communication takes place in there.
All this takes some time and effort from my end.

While doing this, I want to let some other peolpe getting some goodies. So from time to time, I open
my "backup server's" for the public.
But then I don't have the time to follow up one by one, like I do with my personal user's.
Much like throwing out some bones to the hungry dog's :rolleyes:

Since this is the [b:24269eb653]Support[/b:24269eb653] section, I would like to see what happen's if/when you throw
out a bone in the [b:24269eb653]Download[/b:24269eb653] section.

Open up a public acc. and post it in the [i:24269eb653]correct[/i:24269eb653] section of the forum, then see how many Q's you get "out there" :cool:

Back in the "old-days" I posted my server in alt.2600, and many of my
private user's came from there, but when betanet.be was operative
I was serving the public, as I have done here before turning more and more private.
Still my server transfer's some byte's on a daily basis.
Feel free to look at monthly stats right HERE from my main server :D

BTW : When only trusting certain IP's, it makes it hard for people like me, who's on DHCP.
Some of the other user's my ISP has, is [b:24269eb653]NOT[/b:24269eb653] to be trusted ( trojan scanner's / hacker's wannabee's ), so adding a IP range is
not a sollution :confused:


Cheer's :D

Hi BearCat, first off Thanks for the Comments, I was asking for some. There are quite a few issues here, and I expect it will take some time to work my way through them all. There are several folks discussing similar issues in various Threads which I have been commenting on also.

On the DHCP/IP# issue, the ISP that I am on uses DHCP as well. ISP's were planning on Users connecting to the Net for a few hours each day or so, then turning off their Computer. The ISP could then "Reuse" the IP# for someone else. However, ISP's claim that "Broadband Connections" are always on ie. 24/7/52. So what I did was to put up a Server on my connection and leave it running all the time. At this point, it still has the same IP# that it had more than 2 Years ago.

Another thing that has come along in the past year are "Home Firewall/Router" boxes. I have a couple of them which are connected to an ADSL/Cable modem. I leave the Modem and Firewall boxes on all the time. In that case the Firewall box gets a "Dynamic IP#" and "Keeps" it for months or more. One specific box that I experimented with is the D-Link 704. The Firmware code in this box obtains an IP# from the DHCP Service, and when it comes to "Renew" time it will "Decline" a different IP# if that is what the Service comes up with. The box will keep doing a "Renew" until it gets back the "old" IP# it had before. It has been successful at this even after a 4 hour ISP outage. The only time the D-Link box did not "Win" is when my ISP changed their Class "A" subnet from 216.x.x.x to 142.x.x.x.

I expect if I can "Deal" with DHCP, then other folks can also. Worth a Try. It may solve some problems for you.

CrowDirt, Thanks for a very informative thread, it is helping me understand somemore about this serving stuff aand all the Variables that go with it.
I am using a netgear rt311 between my computers and the net. I have had trouble connecting to BearCats temp servers, and a couple of other sites, with this box, and was wondering what router you might recomend, or a place to go and check out reviews on this stuff, so we could get a better idea on what to use to have multiple computers share a dsl or cable connection, but still be able to access all servers OUTSIDE, AND have people be able to access servers INSIDE...
Do you think the d-link 704 is a good box? How about the linksys BEFSR11 or BEFSR81? or the SMC7004BR Barricade??
I know alot of other would be interested in comment or suggestions on a GOOD router that works the way they advertise....
I bought this netgear because they say it is very good, but from what I read, netgear has alot of problems, and I am tired of messing with it. I have updated the firmware and still have problems, along with MANY others, with these netgear routers.
Thanks for ANYONES input on this..
SeeYa
[img]smile.gif[/img]

Hi BIGHEADover50, rather than go into many details here, at least for the moment, have a look at /http://www.dslreports.com and their Forums. There is a section under Equipment called "Networking Hardware". There are many Posts there on all sorts of Boxes and what folks have experienced both good and bad. Keep in mind this place has over 50,000 members so it can be a bit overwhelming. I have a D-Link 704, a Linksys BEFSR41, WAP11, and BEFW11S4 which I experiment with/use in various ways. These things are all different, but can be used in some "creative" ways depending on their "features".

[b:5189e882c2]crowdirt :[/b:5189e882c2]
What I meant regarding the DHCP thing, is from the "end-user's" end, not the server.

My ISP started out with a 30 min lease time, but have later changed it to 1 hour :rolleyes:

This mean's that if I have to do some HW/SW changes and stay offline for more than 1 hour,
I most probably will get a new IP.

If the server I try to connect to is only open for X IP, and I get Y IP, I can't connect, but
the one who got my "old" IP will be able to connect.

And since I still serve many dial-up users ( 56k's ), it will make it allmost impossible
for them to connect, if I ban "all-but X IP".

I have been having some problem's with hacker's, using one of Germany's biggest ISP's,
and banned their DHCP-IP range.
( both used for DSL and dial-up )
This helped me, but closed my server for many "good-user's".
So it's an option.....

Is getting other FTP clients to work with a server that is behind a firewall not simple a case of putting them into Passive mode? I presume if IE works OK and other clients dont it will simply be a simple configuration change like that...

Hi Zone-MR, I have found some "Firewall" cases where IE cannot make it through to a Server, but some FTP Clients can. FTP Clients that get through are ones that can support "IP Masq/NAT/Non-routable IP" functions.

Hi BearCat, thanks for you comments on the DHCP stuff. I tend to overlook 56Kers. Have not used Dial-up modems for over three years now, so it is fading from my memory. Using IP#s for Control limits access to a smaller number of folks that are on Broadband or better. Basically others that can do some FTP Serving, which was my original objective. Still looking for good ways to handle Dial-up folks. I am a but short on ideas in that case.

An "Always-on" Firewall box can solve many IP# changes when you have your Server off for Maintenance etc.

I am still running my server for folks, so I will get some first hand experience with longer term issues as time progresses.

Cheers. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Hi;
My ftp client (WS_FTP) can't get into your location. The log shows the following:

WINSOCK.DLL: Microsoft wsock32.dll, ver2.2, 32bit of Apr 22 1999, at 20:29:32.
WS_FTP LE 5.08 2000.01.13, Copyright © 1992-2000 Ipswitch, Inc.
- -
! Can't get "ftp://66.183.13.163:2020/" host entry
! Connection failed ftp://66.183.13.163:2020/

While this software is new to me, i've used it a few times to download files from other sites. Meaning I probably have the settings wrong for your location. Settings: I have "Host Type" set to "automatic", and "passive transfers" is checked.

Is there anything else I should be doing? Any suggestions?

Hi Woogieman, If your read very "Carefully" the first post to this Thread you will find mentioned there that Server Access is controlled by IP#'s. There are only a few folks (6-8) that have their number in the "Allowed" table. All other Internet IP#'s are in effect "Banned". Keeps out "Hackers" from Germany running FTP Search Robots etc. Folks generally do not bother to "Hammer" on the Server either, would just be a waste of time.

Hi Folks, just an update after a month of Server Up time. Folks are still Uploading and Downloading. I removed a number of older things to make some more room for new stuff. ;) I printed myself a copy of the entire Thread, just in case it goes away again. After all this, much of the info there could be condensed and cleaned up. Learned a few things along the way. Been thinking of starting a new Thread from the best of the info. from this one. Waiting to see if BetaNet gets more Stable. :( :rolleyes: :eek:

Test post after import [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Hi Folks, another update on how it's going. The Server has been up for 2 Months now. Has dropped off the "Net" a few times due to ISP Problems, but the machine continues to run fine.:cool:

The contents continue to change as new things show up and older stuff that nobody wants any more is removed. Those of you that have Access, check from time to time to see what's new.:D

The "Firewall" has been changed a bit so the Server has a new IP# now. Everything else remains the same.

The "New" address for the Server is [hide] 6X.x.x.x:2020 [/hide].

With a bit of luck it will last a few months like the old one did.:D :D Enjoy.....;)

replying for server address
Thanks crowdirt

Hi crowdirt, sorry I know this is off-topic but since you're such a wiz in networking, could you please tell me if I should buy a Linksys 4-port router or just a 4-port switch for sharing my broadband? With the router, I want to be able to disable the NAT firewall so that it doesn't block file sharers, ftp ul/dl, chat, etc. But if I get the switch and it doesn't have a WAN port for my cable modem, I guess I'll need a second netcard to use DHCP (so that Road Runner sees only one ip). Any advice?

Thanks alot... :)

Hi Chiller, ok lets take a look at the parts to this puzzle. I will use Linksys as an example, other companies do basically the same things. Linksys has available now:

4-5 Port Switches
4-8 Port NAT/Routers (Firewall/Routers)
4 Port VPN/Routers

Most Broadband Cable Providers allow one "Routable" IP# for the Modem to connect to the Net with.

If you use a Switch behind the Modem then only one of the computers connected to the Switch can use the Routable IP (eg. 24.51.x.x). Other computers connected to the Switch could use Non-Routable IP's (eg. 192.168.x.x) to talk to each other as an internal LAN.

If you use a NAT/Router behind the modem then what happens is the NAT/Router takes the Routable IP. The box has a DHCP function in it to assign Non-Routable IP#'s to the computers connected to it. This is not really needed you could assign numbers Manualy too.

Other things the box does are basically a function of NAT which cannot be removed from the box. If you removed NAT from the box then it would simply work the same as a Switch.

The NAT stuff will allow net traffic to be routed to one computer without any restrictions, that's the DMZ thingy. All other computers that are using Non-Routable IP#'s have their net traffic restricted in various ways. A few functions are allowed to work, such as Surfing and E-Mail. NAT accomplishes these Restrictions by changing the IP# from the Routable one to Non-Routable ones as needed. The Box lets you set some "Ports" to pass through without Restrictions to a particular Non-Routable IP# (Particular machine).

So if you allowed "ALL" Ports to be open that would reduce the "Firewall" effect to a minimum for a particular machine. Also if you "Opened" a "Range" of Ports (1-10000) for a "Range" of Non-Routable IP#'s (192.168.1.2-192.168.1.100) for the most part the "Firewall" function will "GO Away".:)

Have not had a chance to try this just yet. I would like to know, along with quite a few others, if this actually "Works". ;)

If you use the "New" VPN/Router behind the modem then things are different again. From the description on the Linksys Website the Box does not appear to use NAT. It does however add "Encryption" to the Net connection and Requires a Specific Configuration at the other end (Server) to talk to. This approach seems to only connect to "Selected" sites, all others are Locked Out, and I suspect that is not what you want to do.;)

OK [b:e6026ff2ce]CrowDirt[/b:e6026ff2ce] , I'll go with the router as I'm sure it will share the connection properly. And I'll use DMZ on the host to open up the firewall. Thanks alot , you're a lifesaver.:D :D :p

thnx for sharing it mate!

replying to get the address so I can check this out. Also, Crowdirt check your PM :)