Agreed.

I want Saddam out of Iraq just as much as the next person, but was it really worth risking the lives of millions of people for? Sure, we can bomb things to hopefully reduce the lives that are lost, but it's like a friend of mine, who was in Vietnam, told me this morning, in a war, nothing is for certain, and plans change once the first shot is fired.

I wish we could have just sent a sniper in there to take him out too, instead of risking the lives of US and British soldiers, plus the millions of innocents living in Iraq. I'm like Cactus, I hate war. I don't think Bush is completely right for doing it, and I disagree with quite a few of the things he has said and how things have happened, but let's face it, he did what had to be done. I just hope they finish the job this time, quickly, without many casualties, so people can return to a normal life. That is what's important here.

pinning this...

http://www.msnbc.com/news/870749.asp?vts=031920031945

There have been numerous snipers sent there. There are a whole lot of things going on behind the scenes, that none of us know about, and for that fact things you probably dont want to know about. Saddam Husein is a very bad man and unforchantly he is in a position of command. There are reportedly at least nine perfect "clones" of saddam, he is not an easy man to get. There are Marine Force Recon, Special Forces, US Army Rangers, Navy Seals, Delta Force, and other special forces from our allies, and they are trying to flush out saddam. The problem is that there are numerous hiding places, underground bunkers and many other barriers. The US and Great Britan are attempting to minimize the sivilian casualities and prehaps turn saddams own troops against him. Our best chance of getting saddam is turning his own troops against him, basically effecting mutany. I truely believe that what our President is doing is just, and i am glad that we have the ability and the backing of England to go in and remove this awful tyrant from power. Imagine 60 years ago, would any of you be complaining about the removal of Adolf Hitler? Or Joseph Stalen? Think about it, Saddam Husein has effectively committed genocide, he has murdered over 100,000 and counting of his own people. Murder is still a crime, isn't it? In war there will be causualties, although unforchant, necessary for the common good. There is only one road and that road is the removal of Saddam by ANY NECESSARY FORCE. Saddam is a clear and present danger and there for should be removed. Let god be with our president and with our men and women fighting for our freedom. Good luck and god speed, come home soon, come home alive, but realize that those who died, died for the greater good.

Well maybe you can enlighten me old wise one, while your supporting the troops infront of your puter, and dont say the kurds, cause that dont wash, tell us why it wasnt finished before, tell us why one man justifies killing hundreds, or even thousands, tell us why the attention is now on Saddam, when the biggest man hunt was for Laden, well according to Bush, tell us who is going to pay again to rebuild the country after its bombed out, tell us what the US is doing to halt the madness in Palestine, the persecution of . Eastern Tibetans by the Chinese............I could go on, but it might disturb your flag waving........Get real this aint some god dam football team

I doubt this will be a swift campaign that everyone is hoping for. I hope that they don't make the same mistake as they did 12 years ago and leave him be.

With regard to clones, they can only be look-alikes ... or is that what you meant?

Why is that? Their lives don't count? Tell that to the dead Kurdish families

It was. The UN guidelines were to liberate Kuwait, not invade Iraq.

Proven ties to terrorists + the threat of biological weapons. I wonder where those anthrax letters came from?

It sure is not. Try not to let emotion get in the way of logical thinking, as evidenced by your previous posts - Hate is the path toward the dark side. :angry:

How quickly we all forget how the world shifted less than a year ago :(
War is ALWAYS a last option, go ask Saddam why he did not disarm. <_<
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Her hair was up in a ponytail, Her favorite dress tied with a bow.
Today was Daddy's Day at school, And she couldn't wait to go.

But her mommy tried to tell her, That she probably should stay home.
Why the kids might not understand, If she went to school alone.

But she was not afraid, She knew just what to say.
What to tell her classmates, Of why he wasn't there today.

But still her mother worried, For her to face this day alone.
And that was why once again, She tried to keep her daughter home.

But the little girl went to school, Eager to tell them all.
About a dad she never see, A dad who never calls.

There were daddies along the wall in back, For everyone to meet.
Children squirming impatiently, Anxious in their seats.

One by one the teacher called, A student from the class.
To introduce their daddy, As seconds slowly passed.

At last the teacher called her name, Every child turned to stare.
Each of them was searching, For a man who wasn't there.

"Where's her daddy at?", She heard a boy call out.
"She probably doesn't have one," Another student dared to shout.

And from somewhere near the back, She heard a daddy say,
"Looks like another deadbeat dad, Too busy to waste his day."

The words did not offend her, As she smiled up at her Mom.
And looked back at her teacher, Who told her to go on.

And with hands behind her back, Slowly she began to speak.
And out from the mouth of a child, Came words incredibly unique.

"My Daddy couldn't be here, Because he lives so far away.
But I know he wishes he could be, Since this is such a special day.

And though you cannot meet him, I wanted you to know.
All about my daddy, And how much he loves me so.

He loved to tell me stories, He taught me to ride my bike.
He surprised me with pink roses, And taught me to fly a kite.

We used to share fudge sundaes, And ice cream in a cone.
And though you cannot see him, I'm not standing here alone.

"Cause my daddy's always with me, Even though we are apart
I know because he told me, He'll forever be in my heart"

With that, her little hand reached up, And lay across her chest.
Feeling her own heartbeat, Beneath her favorite dress.

And from somewhere in the crowd of dads, Her mother stood in tears.
Proudly watching her daughter, Who was wise beyond her years.

For she stood up for the love, Of a man not in her life.
Doing what was best for her, Doing what was right.

And when she dropped her hand back down, Staring straight into the crowd.
She finished with a voice so soft, But its message clear and loud.

"I love my daddy very much, He's my shining star.
And if he could, he'd be here, But heaven's just too far.

You see he was a fireman, And died just this past year
When airplanes hit the towers, And taught Americans to fear.

But sometimes when I close my eyes, It's like he never went away."
And then she closed her eyes, And saw him there that day.

And to her mother's amazement, She witnessed with surprise.
A room full of daddies and children, All starting to close their eyes.

Who knows what they saw before them, Who knows what they felt inside.
Perhaps for merely a second, They saw him at her side.

"I know you're with me Daddy," To the silence she called out.
And what happened next made believers, Of those once filled with doubt.

Not one in that room could explain it, For each of their eyes had been closed.
But there on the desk beside her, Was a fragrant long-stemmed pink rose.

And a child was blessed, if only for a moment, By the love of her shining bright star.
And given the gift of believing, That heaven is never too far.
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Utopia is just not possible due to the inherent nature of human beings. Take care m8.

/JD

Very moving quote JD.

As for the question if the war is right or wrong; each one has his or her own opinion. Let us not try to force our opinion or believes on one another. Let us rather pray for all the innocent victims.

Cheerz
Dave B)

Yes very thought provoking JD, and a reminder to the whole nation WHY we are at war, and what we are fighting for.

Q for all -> "Utopia is just not possible due to the inherent nature of human beings."
Why can't we change our nature? That sounds foolish and unworthy, however if we finally commit to each other, to the benefit of each other, not using government, but just being able to trust each other completely.

Its a silly idealist dream of mine to belong to a global village where the major of its people are not greedy, and love to give and share.

Glad to see I'm not the only one with dreams Cyberion.

No offense JD, but if you repeat the "Utopia is just not possible due to the inherent nature of human beings." enough people will start believing it, and they won't even try to change. People's nature is somthing that they learned, it's not something that is in our genes.

It's a shame how some people act. War is always a sad thing, yet some people seem to enjoy it. Even though Sadam needs to be ditched there is absolutly no reason to feel happy, justified or even proud of this war. It's often those same feeling that start wars or situations that may lead to wars.

Today 5 people died and many were injured, some of them completely innocent, but Sadam hasn't been caucht yet. I see no joy in that, nor could I ever feel proud about that. In the mean while the amount of money spend on it could feed many hungry mouth for month . . .